[Delmonico]

Well we have an interesting new law signed by our gov yesterday.

http://journalstar.com/articles/2009/05/20/news/politics/doc4a14696ed3384837547585.txt

Heineman signs law to keep sex offenders off MySpace, Facebook
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 - 09:59:34 pm CDT
Nebraska Gov. Dave Heineman has signed a bill to prevent registered sex offenders from using social-networking sites such as MySpace or Facebook.

The bill (LB97) will also expand the crime of online enticement to include communications through electronic devices other than computers, such as cell phones.

Attorney General Jon Bruning cited a study that found that 76 percent of offenders convicted of Internet-related crimes against children also admitted to sexually assaulting children.

The bill would create an exception for teens who knowingly send nude pictures of themselves to another minor and for those younger than 19 who receive a picture from a person who is at least 15 but don’t forward that picture to others.

Good for them.

 

[Garth]

That's very noble but how are they going to (A) stop them? & (B) police it?

I guess they could block them from accessing those sites from their home or cell# but what's stopping them from going to an internet cafe or anywhere else where they're not blocked?

 

[Delmonico]

Well we have an interesting new law signed by our gov yesterday.

http://journalstar.com/articles/2009/05/20/news/politics/doc4a14696ed3384837547585.txt

Heineman signs law to keep sex offenders off MySpace, Facebook
Wednesday, May 20, 2009 - 09:59:34 pm CDT
Nebraska Gov. Dave Heineman has signed a bill to prevent registered sex offenders from using social-networking sites such as MySpace or Facebook.

The bill (LB97) will also expand the crime of online enticement to include communications through electronic devices other than computers, such as cell phones.

Attorney General Jon Bruning cited a study that found that 76 percent of offenders convicted of Internet-related crimes against children also admitted to sexually assaulting children.

The bill would create an exception for teens who knowingly send nude pictures of themselves to another minor and for those younger than 19 who receive a picture from a person who is at least 15 but don’t forward that picture to others.

Good for them.

Won't stop them, but gives us anothe big stick to whack them with if they catch them, means they don't have to do anything but get on and get caught to go to jail.

Law enforcement already catches a lot of them with sting operations here. Can put them behind bars for a much longer time, hence off the street longer.

 

[Garth]

You quoted yourself! I think you need to go & read the stress thread.

 

[Princess Zoe]

But they could just create a fake name, profile, email etc... I like the big stick, but I don't see how it will work to deter anyone.

 

[Golfgirlrobin]

But they could just create a fake name, profile, email etc... I like the big stick, but I don't see how it will work to deter anyone.

It's not supposed to deter anybody. It's just another mechanism for loading on prison time in case they are actually caught doing something. That, and it allows politicians to jump on a popular bandwagon. "Look voters, I'm protecting the children. Please remember that when you vote."

 

[Delmonico]

But they could just create a fake name, profile, email etc... I like the big stick, but I don't see how it will work to deter anyone.

Might not deter, unless going to jail for a longer time scares them, but when caught it will keep them behind bars and off the street longer. The State Patrol sets up fake accounts and catches quite a few when the show up for a what ever they think they are getting. If they already are a registared sex offender, boom, more jail time than with out the law.

Just another tool they can use to keep them out of circulation longer.

 

[Bob Pr.]

I'm sure it's not going to deter anyone, either.

Approximately 2/3rds (or more) of the people who were themselves abused (sexual, physical, etc.) as children end up as adults passing some form of abuse on to other children, or entering relationships in which they continue to be sexually or physically abused as adults, or other similar unfortunate outcomes.

It's a tragic form of abuse that keeps on abusing.

When will society wake-up and start providing treatment rather than punishment?

More law enforcement and prisons don't, won't, can't solve this problem.

 

[Nick]

Do you really mean "rather than punishment"? I can't see that happening, and I hope it does not. I think more treatment is great because punishment alone won't break the cycle, but I can't see not punishing these horrendous crimes just because of someone's past history. Plus, incarceration has the added benefit of insuring they show up for treatment.

 

[Delmonico]

Do you really mean "rather than punishment"? I can't see that happening, and I hope it does not. I think more treatment is great because punishment alone won't break the cycle, but I can't see not punishing these horrendous crimes just because of someone's past history. Plus, incarceration has the added benefit of insuring they show up for treatment.

Sorry it don't matter why they abuse, if that is the problem I guess the longer they are locked up the less chance they have to abuse some other child. Guess you would have to have had a child who went through something like that to understand.

I doubt you would want to know how I would like to cure someone who molests a child, but you can be sure the problem would not happen again, ever with that pervert.

As is the longer we can keep them locked up, the better the outside world will be. Let someone do what they think they can to cure them but keep the SOB away from my Grandchildren, period, no exceptions, no "we think we cured them."

 

[Bob Pr.]

Do you really mean "rather than punishment"? I can't see that happening, and I hope it does not. I think more treatment is great because punishment alone won't break the cycle, but I can't see not punishing these horrendous crimes just because of someone's past history. Plus, incarceration has the added benefit of insuring they show up for treatment.

Sorry, should've said "rather than just punishment."

Unfortunately, the attitudes of people who opt for "just punishment" don't lead to any decrease in abuse of children (sexual, physical, verbal, emotional, etc.) but almost certainly more.

These people show little interest in understanding "why" child abuse happens, how many children the typical abuser "infects" with abuse, what kinds of treatment work best for the abused child to keep them from passing on the abuse to others when they grow older, what can we do to develop better methods of treatment for both the abused and abuser, etc.

These people apparently believe there are just a few bad apples and if we'd only punish them and hurt them severely enough, that'll solve the problem.

Never has.

Never will.

 

[Delmonico]

I would prefer child molesters be removed, as in for good, never to walk the street again, lock them up and throw away the key, hang them, gas them, send them to a deserted island, don't care, I see no use for such as that to ever be allowed within miles of a child.

Guess the fact my oldest along with several friends were molested by an adult who got away with it kind puts me in rather a pissy frame of mind about such scum. And anyone who thinks they can rehab one, go ahead, but if after you manage to rehab one and they molest again, I have the same hate for you, period if you had anything to do with them gettin out of jail one minute before they were set to be released.

If you've never sat up with a kid to scared to go to sleep after such a thing, you don't have in my book any right to an opinion about such trash. Yes I'm harsh, but I don't want to ever see it happen to any kid again, some of them don't survive molesters, some are killed by them, some take the suicide route.

Guess I couldn't sleep at night if I said someone was 'better' and it happened again, guess if you could great. Fact is I couldn't work with one of these boils on the ass of the world.

 

[Bob Pr.]

I would prefer child molesters be removed, as in for good, never to walk the street again, lock them up and throw away the key, hang them, gas them, send them to a deserted island, don't care, I see no use for such as that to ever be allowed within miles of a child.

I detest and abhor the sexual or physical or emotional abuse of any child, much more so than most, probably, because I know from having treated many victims and perpetrators that most of the abusers were themselves abused in some way as children.

You can dream on that if only you can find a severe enough form of torture or grotesque enough form of killing that it will solve the problem.

It will not and people like yourself who campaign for and promote such false remedies only delay establishing better, more effective means of handling the problem.

We do not yet know enough about what forms of intervention and treatment are most effective in ameliorating this problem for both the child victim and the adult victim turned victimizer.

One thing's for sure -- we'll NEVER know and the problem will only get worse as long as there are people promoting ever more severe retributive actions against the perpetrators as the remedy. So, if you take great comfort in your position on this, that's the only comfort on this issue available to you. It sure isn't going to solve the problem.

 

[Delmonico]

Sorry Bob, all I see is you making excuses for folks who don't deserve any excuses.

Lock the SOB's away and throw away the key, exicute them I don't give a ****, but protect out children from them in any way we can, period, end of story, I'm guessing you've been paid to help a few poor victums, by your additude you sure as hell ain't had it happen to one of your children.

I had folks, friends for years, told me I needed to forgive this person, ain't spoke to them in years and it will be a **** cold day in hell before I ever do again. Period, they no longer exist, but they also didn't have any kids that this happened to so their BS additude don't mean ****.

I'm guessing you have figured out I have no sympathy for such perverts and really don't care for anyone who thinks they can save them, these pieces of **** are not worth saving. Just do everything we possibly can to keep them away from kids, period, why in the hell is that so hard to understand, have you been educated beyond your intelligence?

BTW "I Hate Child Molesters." And no I don't need any kind of help to get over it so don't waste your time telling me that, I have enough self control I didn't kill the SOB, despite some folks who "thought he could be saved" who covered for the SOB.

I figure their is a special place in hell for him and them.

Go find somebody worth saving, these ain't and never will be.

 

[YellowJakesMom]

Just do everything we possibly can to keep them away from kids, period, why in the hell is that so hard to understand, have you been educated beyond your intelligence?

Glenn, that's exactly what Bob is saying. Putting someone in prison for a few years doesn't do ****. They go out and molest someone else. Now your solution would work - lock them up forever - but it won't become law anytime soon. Bob is saying (I believe) that therapy or some form of treatment needs to be incorporated into incarceration and beyond if we want any hope at all of stopping the cycle of abuse. I think you can get behind that reasoning?

I'm very sorry for what your daughter and her friends went through.

 

[Di]

Sorry, should've said "rather than just punishment."

Unfortunately, the attitudes of people who opt for "just punishment" don't lead to any decrease in abuse of children (sexual, physical, verbal, emotional, etc.) but almost certainly more.

These people show little interest in understanding "why" child abuse happens, how many children the typical abuser "infects" with abuse, what kinds of treatment work best for the abused child to keep them from passing on the abuse to others when they grow older, what can we do to develop better methods of treatment for both the abused and abuser, etc.

These people apparently believe there are just a few bad apples and if we'd only punish them and hurt them severely enough, that'll solve the problem.

Never has.

Never will.

What % with treatment never abuse again? Would you trust them with your child or grandchild? Treat them, talk to them, do whatever you want, but keep them incarcerated while you do it so they can never harm a child again! I will never understand why someone would take that chance! I know the statistics, you can trust them with your family, keep them away from mine!!

 

[AZLAB]

In AZ it is a crime for a minor to send a picture of themself nude to another person as it is sexual explotation of themself.

They are really pushing teaching the kids in school sending or receiving nude pictures of a minor is a crime. There is also a big push in the media to let parents know how big of a problem this is and asking them to check their kids cell phones and computers.

They have put several adults in jail including one teacher for receiving such photos. So this type of a law if it has the right teeth built in to it can keep child predators off the streets. My nephew says it has cut down on kids sending nude pictures as they realize the trouble they can get into.

 

[Delmonico]

What % with treatment never abuse again? Would you trust them with your child or grandchild? Treat them, talk to them, do whatever you want, but keep them incarcerated while you do it so they can never harm a child again! I will never understand why someone would take that chance! I know the statistics, you can trust them with your family, keep them away from mine!!

Thats why decent folks should try to get these locked up, forever, no if ands or butts about it period, plain and simple, tell these SOBs we elect that's what we want, make **** sure any of them who don't agree with us never get elected again, to anything.

Oh and while were at it let them that think they can be saved be locked up with them, 24-7.

As I see it I can't trust Bob's thoughts on this, cause he seems to have at least in part made his living off these predators, maybe that's why he thinks we should be so understanding of them.

Yep that last statment may sound like BS to some, but the idea that these scum can be saved or are worth saving sounds like Bullshit to a lot of others.

BTW Bob, if my now adult daughter was to see this thread, the things she would call you would be worse than her Dad. She has done quite well, but the stupidity of even hinting that these SOBs could be saved would set her off on you.

 

[YellowJakesMom]

As I see it I can't trust Bob's thoughts on this, cause he seems to have at least in part made his living off these predators, maybe that's why he thinks we should be so understanding of them.

Glen, no one is saying they shouldn't be in prison!

You're saying we can't let them out because they'll hurt more people. Bob agrees that prison alone does not cure molesters. However, sex offenders being released is INEVITABLE most of the time. Therefore, Bob is saying (I believe - sorry to speak for you Bob) why not try something else that actually *might* make a difference while they're in prison and once they get out.

Until we have a life sentence for sexual abuse - why not do everything we can to try to prevent it from happening again?

I understand why you're upset, but I don't understand the anger toward Bob or implying that he only feels that way because he wants to make money off of counseling sex offenders. I'm pretty sure the big psychiatry money ISN'T in working for the federal prison system.

 

[Garth]

I'm sure it's not going to deter anyone, either.

Approximately 2/3rds (or more) of the people who were themselves abused (sexual, physical, etc.) as children end up as adults passing some form of abuse on to other children, or entering relationships in which they continue to be sexually or physically abused as adults, or other similar unfortunate outcomes.

It's a tragic form of abuse that keeps on abusing.

When will society wake-up and start providing treatment rather than punishment?

More law enforcement and prisons don't, won't, can't solve this problem.

No but executing the bastards will.

I never have & never will buy the defence that these scumbags were abused as kids. WHY THE HELL IS THAT THEIR VICTIMS FAULT? I'm sick & tired of hearing the same old standard defence from these bastards lawyers of "my client was abused as a child your honour" BULLSHIT! It's the biggest cop out that was ever invented. Instead of playing the victim, why don't these pigs start turning their lives around & decide they're not going to be like that pig that abused them & do something about it that doesn't involve carrying on the cycle?. The only tragedy about these scenarios is that these pigs aren't put to death. That would end the cycle once & for all.

If all the members of the bleeding hearts club who make a living out of defending these scum feel so sorry for them & think they can be rehabilitated, let them take them into their own homes & see how long they last. I guarantee the instant the pigs raped their wife, daughter, mother or any other female in their family, I'm sure (and hope) they would soon change their minds about just who is the real victim.

I don't know how the excusiologists & defenders of these bastards can sleep at night. If there is a hell, they should be condemned to there along with the mongrels whom they consider to be victims.

Why the hell doesn't someone start standing up for the REAL victims for a change?