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Stoli is now 7 months old and still without manners. We have started training. The program does use an E-Collar. I know many people don't agree with them and I was skeptical so i actually tried it out and put it on. It didnt really hurt me so i figured she can handle it through the fur lol.

As for the program it uses the collar with NILIF. She gets 3 private lessons and then 6 months of group sessions with other dogs of all ages and sizes.

After two days she is doing great!! She already is very consistent with "off" (used for jumping on things/people as well as begging digging etc) "out" (which is for grabbing shoes. socks, etc) and "quiet" (nuissance barking) I know that it will take time but I am very impressed with the early progress.

Anyone have any successes with this kind of training??
 

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to each their own

My two cents - you would have had the same success with ANY solid training program to which you dedicated yourself to full time - the fact you are putting in the time and effort and RULES is the reason this is working, not because of the collar.
 

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I'm wondering why you waited 7 months to get her into obedience classes. Training should have started from an early age and you would have curtailed a lot of annoying behavior at this time. I use e-collars. For ADVANCED off-leash work which reinforces commands they ALREADY KNOW from distances...not for beginning obedience. I think anyone who advocates using e-collars for beginning obedience is an idiot. All of the issues you seem to be focusing on sound like your girl is BORED. Try going to a regular obedience class and upping the exercise. Unless you plan on doing any field/hunt work, there really is no point in training your dog on an ecollar.
 

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I'm wondering why you waited 7 months to get her into obedience classes. Training should have started from an early age and you would have curtailed a lot of annoying behavior at this time. I use e-collars. For ADVANCED off-leash work which reinforces commands they ALREADY KNOW from distances...not for beginning obedience. I think anyone who advocates using e-collars for beginning obedience is an idiot. All of the issues you seem to be focusing on sound like your girl is BORED. Try going to a regular obedience class and upping the exercise. Unless you plan on doing any field/hunt work, there really is no point in training your dog on an ecollar.
First of all I resent being called an idiot. Just because you do asomething different just justify saying that.

As for training it has been done all along. The classes are for reinforcing the behaviors. I know others who have used the collar for reinforcement and with great results.

If all you have is insults I would prefer you dont bother respond to any of my posts in the future.
 

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I think these puppy issues that you have with your girl is all a matter of training her and taking her to obedience classes for manners. I use an e-collar but thats only because we're training for hunt tests, yes its very successful but for our obedience work i never have an ecollar on her.
As for leave its, offs, come, etc is easy to train with lots of consistancy.
 

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I think these puppy issues that you have with your girl is all a matter of training her and taking her to obedience classes for manners. I use an e-collar but thats only because we're training for hunt tests, yes its very successful but for our obedience work i never have an ecollar on her.
As for leave its, offs, come, etc is easy to train with lots of consistancy.
We have been doing these trainings without fro months. i was just stating that it helps to reinforce. After just two days i don't need to even use the collar really. She is more alert to commands. I want to use the ecollar for more walking/off leash activity.

I understand its a big debate about these things. i fully understand that some dont use it. i just dont liek being called an idiot
 

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Boston, I think you were unfairly called an idiot. Some dogs are quite 'headstrong' and need more than the typical type of positive reinforcement for training (even when started in puppyhood). It doesn't sound like you were being unfair to your dog nor using harsh training. This debate will be ongoing as will the use of a pinch collar. I wish you the best in the training that works best for you and your dog.
 

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boston definately not calling you an idiot. I was having the same issue with my girl, and i finally found the right obedience school and they got me on the right path. Apple's off, leave it, etc were not solid til after she turned one. Which is why i mentioned consistancy. She was and still is a wild child. I'm not saying e-collars are bad, trust me i'm one to defend them, but i just resort to them when i work lots of distance. Again, everyone is different. Didnt mean to offend you.
 

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boston definately not calling you an idiot. I was having the same issue with my girl, and i finally found the right obedience school and they got me on the right path. Apple's off, leave it, etc were not solid til after she turned one. Which is why i mentioned consistancy. She was and still is a wild child. I'm not saying e-collars are bad, trust me i'm one to defend them, but i just resort to them when i work lots of distance. Again, everyone is different. Didnt mean to offend you.
No you didnt offend me at all. i apologize i was refering to the previous post not yours. Thank you for your insight. I do understand that primarily it is used for advanced off leash training. The trainer I use just has a different system i guess. My dog is responding greatly and has no ill effects (she is still very happy and energetic just seems to have more manners)
 

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I didn't call you an idiot...I called the trainer you are going to an idiot. Re-read it. And if you've been going to training all along, you obviously haven't been reinforcing anything or she doesn't respect you at all. That is a red flag to me. People. LEARN TO READ.
 

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I agree that an e-collar for basic obedience is not a good idea. By doing it this way, your dog isn't learning what you want/don't want it to do, it's learning to avoid the shock and will become collar-wise VERY quickly. Don't believe me? Take off the collar and see how the dog behaves after a couple of hours. Basic obedience is very easily trained with a flat collar, plain ol' leash, a bunch of treats and some patience. When you're not training, make sure the dog gets PLENTY of exercise.

Now to reinforce advanced field commands at a distance, absolutely!
 

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sorry for my ignorance, what does an e-collar do? doing a quick web search, all i saw were those plastic cones you put on the dog's head after surgery or something. Is this the collar that vibrates? or does it send out an electric shock to the dog?
 

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sorry for my ignorance, what does an e-collar do? doing a quick web search, all i saw were those plastic cones you put on the dog's head after surgery or something. Is this the collar that vibrates? or does it send out an electric shock to the dog?
LOL! 2 different kinds of e-collar. The Elizabethan Collar (aka satellite dish) protects an injured area from dogs licking. Usually acquired at the vets.

The other kind of e-collar - is an electronic collar - which can administer a shock to the dog as an aspect of distance training. The shock can vary in intensity and there can be just a sound instead of the shock. Basically.
 

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Boston:

Is the OB program/school that you are attending "Sit means Sit" by any chance? That is the only program I am aware of that advocates the use of an ecollar in the manner that (I think) you are describing. I have no experience with SMS or using an ecollar for basic OB commands. I have a good bit of experiance using ecollars for corrections at distance for upper level field work. I have always done OB up close with a lead and heeling stick to position (not whack) the dog, and then collar conditioned the dog to the ecollar via Mike Lardy's "Total E Collar Conditioning Program" and gone from there. Lardy (and other Rex Carr based programs like Smartwork/Fowldogs/Farmer) require pretty solid OB prior to collar conditioning so that the dog understands how to "turn off" the pressure by compliance with a command. Otherwise, you would get some seriously confused dogs. I was raised as a "British" trainer, but have come to realize how fair and humane an ecollar can be when used in a systematic, structured program. They are a valuable tool, in certain situations. Well trained dogs do not become "collar wise." All HT's/FT's are run without ecollars, and require extreme control. Dogs do become "test wise" which is MUCH WORSE. :) Good luck in your training program, I am just not familiar with use of an ecollar that way, and am much more psychologically comfortable with the Lardy-style approach. Good Luck and best wishes for you and your dog!
 

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Boston:

Is the OB program/school that you are attending "Sit means Sit" by any chance? That is the only program I am aware of that advocates the use of an ecollar in the manner that (I think) you are describing. I have no experience with SMS or using an ecollar for basic OB commands. I have a good bit of experiance using ecollars for corrections at distance for upper level field work. I have always done OB up close with a lead and heeling stick to position (not whack) the dog, and then collar conditioned the dog to the ecollar via Mike Lardy's "Total E Collar Conditioning Program" and gone from there. Lardy (and other Rex Carr based programs like Smartwork/Fowldogs/Farmer) require pretty solid OB prior to collar conditioning so that the dog understands how to "turn off" the pressure by compliance with a command. Otherwise, you would get some seriously confused dogs. I was raised as a "British" trainer, but have come to realize how fair and humane an ecollar can be when used in a systematic, structured program. They are a valuable tool, in certain situations. Well trained dogs do not become "collar wise." All HT's/FT's are run without ecollars, and require extreme control. Dogs do become "test wise" which is MUCH WORSE. :) Good luck in your training program, I am just not familiar with use of an ecollar that way, and am much more psychologically comfortable with the Lardy-style approach. Good Luck and best wishes for you and your dog!
Thanks. No it is not "Sit means Sit". I am not familiar with the trainings you mentioned and I have come to realize that what my trainer does is unorthodox but it works for her and it has worked for us. Where I still keep the collar on the dog I barely press the button anymore. She has quickly picked up the commands and even is heeling off leash(in the yard only) in just 3 weeks.
 
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