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When the new pup comes home, should I use puppy pads, pooch pads, paper or just place the pup in the crate and use the logical method of walking him before/after sleep, meals, playtime, etc.

I'm still debating on whether I should get a playpen or not, but knowing my DH, he'll say, why do we need one now, we never used one before...of course he won't realizing that Aysa and Allie were 6 months old when we adopted/rescued them (plus he hates spending).

I figure whether my decision is crate or pen will have an impact on if I need any of the above or not. So, if you have any suggestions on those two issues, I could use some advice there too. I already have a 32x24 Plastic Vari-Kennel, but I don't want to drag it around and figure I should leave it in the bedroom so he associates it with night time sleep.

I admit I'm stressing a bit. I really, really want to do a good job of raising Ranger. I want to be a good Mom and I want him to be a happy, well behaved pup.

Any advice is really appreciated.
 

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I wouldn't use puppy pads, why encourage a dog to pee in the house, even if its on a pad? You wont want that, especially when they are older. Yuck :-X lol But I would DEFINITLY reccomend just going ahead and potty training using the crate method. Just my $.02
 
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I tryed using the puppy pee pads when murphy was still pretty young, and all that did was give him something to tear up. Took less then a minute to turn it into confetti. I think I remember other people posting about their puppys that have done this, I personally wouldnt waste my money on it again. I still have a whole pack minus one pad. They are pretty expensive. I would just make sure to take him out when needed and and if he has an accident, then just clean it.
 

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Thank you! My hairstylist recommended this idea last night. When she told me her 11 year old Pug and Shi-Tzu (sp?) were still going in the house and refused to go in the dog run they built I was horrified! They put their dogs in the run they built in their new house's backyard last year. The dogs were in there for 1 hour and wouldn't go. As soon as the dogs came in the house one of them ran to the pad in the master bathroom and pooped!! Her dogs have never, ever, had run of the house. They are always behind a gate in the bathroom. I almost cried!!

I never used the pads before. But, my dogs were much older.

So, just keep him in his crate or a short lead and follow all the rules for taking him out and forget the pads, right?
 

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Honestly, all we did with Marlan was kept an eye on him, took him out at regular intervals, and praised the heck out of him when he did his business outside. Whenever he peed or pooped in the house I would shout, "No!" or "Ack!" or "Outside", then pick him up mid-pee/poo and take him outside. Again, if he did it out there I would praise and praise. He quickly learned that he was to do it outside, and then began whining at the door when he had to go. Just make sure you always clean up the accident spot really really well.
 

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my 2bobs worth,
Hercules is all of 9 weeks old and has been with me for 3 weeks, and has yet to poop in the house at all, but he sure as hell lets us know if he wants to poop.
as for piddling, I take him outside as soon as he has woken up and say "do wees", he always does but that is just the nature of the beast (as soon as he wakes he needs to pee). He is starting to let me know when he wants to go out and pee. If he does pee in the house and I catch him at it, I tell him "no" and "outside", take him out, and then praise him when he does wees.

good luck with the potty training - great site to post and read posts about all things Lab

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You have to remember that small dogs are harder to housebreak...so the pug and shitzu example is not fair. Use a crate and common sense. Everytime they stop something (playing, eating, sleeping) they go out side. Lots of praise. When you are interacting with them and they are awake, they will have to go much more frequently. Crate is good. Xpen...not needed IMO.
 

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I just recently went through the house breaking stage (still have uh-oh's once in a while too) and I can agree that the pads are a WASTE of money.

If you leave one in the crate w/your dog, it's shredded in no time.

Realize that the dog probably will have to piddle 10-15 times a day. No joke! So take it outside ALL THE TIME and praise it TONS when it does the right thing.
 

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First of all, what a wonderful site! This will be an incredible help for us!

Alliesmom, I'm so with you...I've stressed quite a bit about what the "right" thing to do is because I want to be the most responsbile dog owner I can be.

We're on Day 9 with Bentley and at almost 10 weeks, I'm so proud of how well he's done so far with his potty training. He's only pooped in the house once (on Day 2) and that was because I didn't quite know his "cues" yet. Sure, he starts to squat and pee once in a while but, again, that's when either my husband or I miss his cue or aren't paying close enough attention. It was much more frequent in the first few days of having him, but it's decreased dramatically.

As others have said, it's just imperative that you take your little one out as frequently as possible and give them all the praise in the world when they go outside. Labs are SUCH people pleasers and we've found that Bentley so looks forward to that big smile and "good boy!" that he gets (sometimes, but not always, with a piece of his training kibble). When we first got him, I did the "potty dance" whenever he went outside as a sort of celebration for doing a good job (learned that one from Oprah's dog coach...seems to work) and that really did get him excited. I couldn't get my husband to do the potty dance, but he's very good at praising Bentley when he goes. He's doing as great of a job as we could hope.

I don't quite understand the idea of using potty pads. As others have said, why would you want to train your dog to pee / poop indoors? That just doesn't make any sense to me. Sure, it means that you need to get up a few times during the night when they yelp and need to go outside. But that diligence and training will serve you SO much better than relying upon your puppy going potty on a pad. It's a lot of work, but I think that those pads are simply a crutch and a convenience and the end result won't be a pretty one.

Just my 2 cents ;)
 

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I used the standard size Purina "Second Nature" litter pan when house training Puff and had no problem with it.

For a picture, see:
http://www.epinions.com/content_107505225348

Purina and others sell absorbent pads to put in the bottom but I found that several layers of newspapers worked very well and could be quickly changed as soon as they were soiled.

During her waking hours, Puff was puppygated for awhile (until house trained) in the kitchen-dinette area because it had a tile floor. The usual sliding patio door that gave access to the backyard wasn't functional at the time and the other routes to the outside were too long.

I spent much time with her and when I saw her beginning the characteristic pee-squat, I'd whisk her to the tray (centrally located) and praise and treat her for any deposits she made there.

We also went outside a number of times during the day and, when she'd had all her shots, the pee scent from other dogs formed an irresistible invitation to do likewise.

I really don't understand the almost universal condemnation of potty training inside a house. People speak of that method as creating conflict within the dog as a matter of faith or belief but rarely from first hand experience.

There must be thousands -- maybe millions -- of Lab pups growing up in apartments or condos that are several floors away from ground level and which have been very successfully potty trained within their homes.

The only person I've had first hand experience with who had a smidge of difficulty was a woman in our church who lived in an upstairs apartment above the student center. She had a dachsund puppy she named "Rheinie" (for Rheinhold Niebuhr). She potty trained him to go on paper and then found he wouldn't go outside. I suggested she take a usual amount of paper outside for him to go on and then slightly reduce the size each time.

She did so and Rheinie was successfully peeing and pooping within about a week.
 

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I spent much time with her and when I saw her beginning the characteristic pee-squat, I'd whisk her to the tray (centrally located) and praise and treat her for any deposits she made there.
Why not whisk her outside and cut out the middleman??

I did use potty pads sucessfully with my jack russell because I did live in an apartment and was afraid he wouldn't be able to hold it until we got outside. After then training him to go outside, I decided to skip the pads next time. Why teach something that you're going to want the dog to forget in a couple of weeks??
 

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Why not whisk her outside and cut out the middleman??
You apparently did not read my saying:

"During her waking hours, Puff was puppygated for awhile (until house trained) in the kitchen-dinette area because it had a tile floor. The usual sliding patio door that gave access to the backyard wasn't functional at the time and the other routes to the outside were too long."

IMO, whatever you want your pup to learn, it's a good idea to expose them to that when they're young.

IF you want them to only poop or pee on grass then, for heaven's sake, train them that's the place to go.

BUT IF you'd also like them to be able to poop & pee on cement, or asphalt, or in a variety of other places, THEN you'd be wise to include those other places -- unless, like "Rheinie", you want to risk your pup becoming habituated to only one place to go.

For me, it's not as much where to go as where NOT to go. The ONE place I do NOT want them to go is on the floor in my home.

For me, Purina's "2nd Nature" potty tray presented a marvellous opportunity.

Not only was it handy & convenient for Puff's initial house training BUT it provided the opportunity to train Puff to use the tray when it also would be useful on our sailboat for long hours and where grass is awfully scarce.

Puff has no problem peeing or pooping on grass, asphalt, concrete, or potty tray.

Does anyone see any problem with that?

BTW, I do suggest that owners recite a mantra when their pups begin to pee or poop because doing so helps promote the behavior.

When Puff begins to assume the arched back pooping posture, I start saying "Puff Potty!, Puff Potty!....Puff Potty!"

This often speeds up the process.

Borrowing on an analogy, saying this is like pulling the trigger on a gun.

It will have no effect if there is not a cartridge in the firing chamber (the waste is not sufficiently far enough down the colon or the bladder is not full enough).

BUt if there is a cartridge there AND the gun is cocked, saying words like that will precipitate the evacuation much sooner than would otherwise occur.
 
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