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We will be getting a Chocolate pup next weekend and had some questions on food. The breeder has been Purina One Puppy for a very long time, he has been breeding for 25 plus years should i stay with this food and see how she does or slowly change it to something with less fillers and a higher meat content? Thanks for any help
 

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i wouldnt be changing anything until your pup is settled. If your puppy seems to do well on that food then i dont see why you would want to change. But if she does runny poo's, has alot of flatulence, flaky itchy skin, gunky eyes, smelly coat etc then you could think about changing her down the track. x
 

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sounds good guys thats what I was thinking thanks for the help. Also, do you think i should make the kennel smaller for crate training or leave it big and see how she does? It is the mega huge remington kennel.
 

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I agree with all of the advice given -- keep your pup on the food it's used to at least until it's settled in.

IF you do change foods, make the switch over at least 12 or more days. The recommended procdure is to use 3 parts old to 1 part new for 3-5 days, then 2 and 2 for the same time, then 1 part old to 3 parts new for the same time, then all new.

IF you do change foods, please consider feeding your pup a Large Breed Puppy Food. That's because a LBP formula has the proper kcals as well as the reduced Calcium & Phosphorus to keep joint growth on the proper track.

Below is a copy of a post I've often made. Not all the links still work but most do.

BTW, some people (breeders included) say that Labs aren't large breed and point to the words in the Lab standard that Labs are "medium" sized dogs. However, the canine nutritional scientists define "large breed" as over 25 kg (55 lbs.) at adulthood.

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While there is not 100% agreement among Lab breeders or all vets, as far as I know there IS 100% agreement among canine nutritional scientists that large breed dogs (and those with high susceptibility to joint problems) should be fed a formula especially formulated for LB puppies up to 12 months or when adult height is gained.

Labs are among the breeds that have a lot of joint problems -- about ONE of every 3 dogs among Labs.

Joint problems are caused primarily by 3 mutually interacting factors:

-- stress, injury, such as caused by jumping, leaping especially before adulthood.

-- genetics such as caused by breeders not having their breeding dogs certified for hips & joints AND not checking for that in the pedigree line -- in short, puppy mills, backyard breeders, scam breeders

-- diet such as caused by feeding a puppy a food that is not specially formulated to control the amount of calcium delivered and the calcium: phophorus ratio.

Once you have your Lab, you CAN fairly much control the activities that could cause stress or injury AND you can absolutely control the diet your Lab gets. Doing both of those lessens the probability that your Lab will develop joint problems.

Below are a few references on the importance of feeding a Large Breed Puppy food for the first year. (There are NO scientific articles claiming the opposite.) The references are from a post I've made so often that I just recopy it.

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My very strong preference -- for all Lab puppies under a year old -- is to feed a Large Breed (formulation) Puppy Food, such as made by Diamond, Eukanuba, Nutro Natural Choice, ProPlan, or Science Diet, etc., for the reasons given in the articles below:

http://consumer.vetmedcenter.com/consumer/display.asp?id=9808&dt=p

http://www.mediarelations.ksu.edu/WEB/News/NewsReleases/listpuppies62403.html

http://www.petevents.com.au/news_articles/28.shtml

http://www.diamondpetfood.com/Jul03.html

http://www.newmanveterinary.com/large.html

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This (just below) is a technical article (but readable) that summarizes many of the canine nutritional and growth studies:

http://www.ilovemypet.com/jackart.html

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See also:

http://p075.ezboard.com/fjustlabradors41940frm0.showMessage?topicID=3973.topic

Within it, it contains this statement and references:

"The scientific literature is very clear on nutritional changes to "help manage" the potential orthopedic problems in growing large and giant breed dogs. Here are a few citations for you. As you can see from the dates on these citations, it is “old” news to vets but pet owners and breeders are still making dangerous recommendations."

1. Nap, et al. Growth and skeletal development in Great Dane pups fed different levels of protein intake. J Nutr 1991; 121:S107-S113.

2. Hedhammer, et al. Over nutrition and skeletal disease: an experimental study in growing Great Dane dogs. Cornell Vet 1974; 64:1-159.

3. Lavelle. The effect of overfeeding of a balanced complete commercial diet to a group of growing Great Danes. In: Nutrition of the dog and cat. Burger and Rivers (eds). Cambridge Univ Press, 1989:303-316.

4. Hazewinkel, et al. Influences of chronic calcium excess on the skeletal development of growing Great Danes, J Am Anim Hosp Assoc 1985; 21:377-391.

5. Goedegebuure, Hazewinkel. Morphological findings in young dogs chronically fed a diet containing excess calcium. Vet Pathol 1986; 23:594-605.

6. Hazewinkel, et al. Calcium metabolism in Great Dane dogs fed diets with various calcium and phosphorus levels. J Nutr 1991; 121:S99-S106.





 

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Bob posted great info, and I agree.
I also agree with making the crate smaller, worked well with our lab!
 

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a kennel like the plastic box and a crate like the wire cage
as long as you are able to make it smaller then I dont see why you can't use it. You want to make sure that all the puppy can do is turn around in it.
 
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