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I have a 6 month old Lab named Rocco who weights 68 lbs. About a month ago he started to limp. At First we thought it was a sprain from playing with the dog upstairs from me. We tried to rest it which is close to impossible. I even tried putting him in the cage but he would stop barking.
I brought Rocco to my vet to have him check. The Vet felt and moved all 4 legs and explained he was in no pain. They diagnosed him with growing pains and gave him imflamatories. Something sounding like Demtrox. I threw out the bottle, so I dont have the correct name at this moment. The imflamatories didnt work and I brought him back about 2weeks later like suggested. I spoke with the head vet who also checked his legs and found him to be in no pain. He then told me when he moved Rocco's legs he felt Mechanical Laminess. Which is where he is growing faster than his growth plates (legs) can handle. This Laminess causes the joints to not move properly causing the limp. The vet told me he isnt in any pain, but that I would need to slow down his growth. I have already made efforts to decrease his food intake and start him on adult food.

My questions: 1. Has anyone ever heard of mechanical Laminess, and what can I do about it.
2. Will he grow out of it.

I spoke with my vet, but I'm looking for someone who has experienced this joint problem.
Any suggestions
 

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May I suggest looking at this forum:
http://www.justlabradors.com/forum/index.php/topic,42205.0.html

We have similar limping issues with our 9 month old after heavy play and received a number of great responses from members. I would also recommend visiting an orthopedic surgeon [ortho vet] to hopefully rule out hip dysplasia and suggest preventative measures. We did that last week and the ortho vet diagnosed her with Panoestitis which she will most likely grow out of in 2-5 years. The visit was an incredible load off our minds and not nearly as scary and expensive as we had expected.

We give our puppy inflamatories [Rimadyl] when she flares up. Weight seems to be the biggest prevention. Our puppy is 60 pounds @ 9 months and we were told that it would be helpful for her joints to lose up to 5 pounds.
 

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You did not mention whether it's the pup's front or rear legs. Growth pains, aka Pano, aka Panostetis, usually occurs in the front legs though it can occur in rear legs, too.

To qualify my advice, I have a dog who has moderate (grade II) elbow dysplasia and have been dealing with it for over a year now learning more and more every day. My suggestion is to take your puppy to an orthopedic vet. General practice vets just do not have enough training to deal with more complex joint issues. It would be helpful to have the x-rays of your pup taken. If you get the x-rays, ask the vet to do them in positions as required by the OFA so you can send them in for preliminaries in case you want a second opinion. Once your ortho vet or the OFA give you their diagnosis, I will go from there. Hopefully it is just Pano.

I also think you should get your puppy to lose weight. The rule of thumb is weight for puppies should be 2 lbs per week of life. At 6 months, your puppy is about 24-25 weeks old, which means he should be about 50 pounds. This is a rule of thumb of course. Can you post some pics of your pup so we can see what he looks like?

My pup started limping at about 4 months of age and I was told it was Pano, to go home, take some Rimadyl, keep him quiet, etc. I was satisfied. However, after a while, he started limping again and back to the vet we went. Same story, but this time I was not going to buy it. I had my pup's elbows x-rayed again and sent to a radiologist. They came back with elbow dysplasia. I really really hope it's not the case with your pup, my point is for you to go see a specialist.
 

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Tatyana said:
The rule of thumb is weight for puppies should be 2 lbs per week of life. At 6 months, your puppy is about 24-25 weeks old, which means he should be about 50 pounds. This is a rule of thumb of course. Can you post some pics of your pup so we can see what he looks like?
That's so helpful! I was gonna post a thread asking about normal weight gain, now I don't have to! awesome!
 

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how many weeks does that go up to? does it not stop until they reach their full weight, or before that?

Maybe I should just post a thread... I'm totally hijacking aren't I.... :-[ I'm sorry!
 

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My pups start backing off the 2# per week average at right about 20 wks. By the time they are ~6mos (26 wks) I see closer to 1# per wk, but this is with females, which are smaller. Sonya is 45# now, at 6 mos on the dot, but I also will say my field bred Labs (her great great grams, great grams and grams= actually 50/50 blend) were considerably larger at the same age... by 6-8 lbs. They were faster growning, and a bit longer in body though too, so I think that needs to be factored in. My male pups are generally at least 10-20% bigger at any given time, but not knowing Rocco's lines, it's hard to tell.

Have you contacted your breeder? Any history of issues in the lines? I think I'd personally try giving him some MSM.. see if that helps (and keep him as quiet as possible). 1000mg 2x/day to begin with then half that after a week. -Anne
 

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These are the only pics I have of him on my computer. I was told he isnt really fat but just a really big dog. If you were to see him in person he would look long and average. He isnt lean but also isnt fat.
The Vet told me it is his right side that is causing the problems. When Rocco walks he favors the Right front leg, so I agree with the vet on it being the right side.







 

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Here's a thought-- in the very first photo, it LOOKS like he's down on that pastern (think human wrist), right above the paw. By down, I mean it looks bent more that it should be given proper tendon development. It could be that his growth is off on that side and he hurt it due to weakness. -Anne
 

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I thought it might be that his growth plates arent growing fast enough to keep up with his body. As you can see in the last pic, he isnt over weight, but really stocky. His chest is about 30", which is big for a 6 month old dog. I made an appointment with a vet who has a specialist on hand. I guess we will see. I honestly think he is just growing to fast. Even when we bought him from the breed in PA he was 20 lbs at 8 weeks. He was always big. He looked like a sharpe dog.
Thanks for the advice, I appreciate it. I will mention his pastens to the vet.
 

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Webster is growing a bit slower than some of the puppies from the same litter, but this is because he's on the raw diet...my vets say that's a good thing that his growing is a bit slower as it won't bother his joints as he grows. he'll eventually be a big lab, but will take a bit more time to get there.

the other pups from the same litter are on kibble and are quite heavy...last night at puppy class was the first time i'd seen any of them since we picked up webster.
 

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I thought it might be that his growth plates arent growing fast enough to keep up with his body. As you can see in the last pic, he isnt over weight, but really stocky. His chest is about 30", which is big for a 6 month old dog. I made an appointment with a vet who has a specialist on hand. I guess we will see. I honestly think he is just growing to fast. Even when we bought him from the breed in PA he was 20 lbs at 8 weeks. He was always big. He looked like a sharpe dog.
Thanks for the advice, I appreciate it. I will mention his pastens to the vet.
I think that is in reverse... what I saw in my one girl who grew too fast years ago were the big knobby joints.. reminded me of a Great Dane puppy! I believe when the plate cells start differentiating into long bone, problems arise due to the muscles and tendons not keeping up. But that is my understanding of it.

He was one BIG pup. And still is!!! Shoot, he's bigger than my full grown bitches already! Do you mind me asking how big the parents are and what kind of food you are feeding? It's one reason I'm back to Eukanuba LB puppy formula. I can't seem to get the uniformly slow growth on anything else-- the Ca++ is too high in so many. Euk LBP is about as scaled down as you can get (and still be available in my area-- I'm looking into Innova LBP (I like the ingredients better) but would have to wait to buy it when I'm working my one day a month in a city 80 miles away. -Anne
 

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I didnt go to buy Rocco, my boyfriend bought him as a christmas gift for me. I did pick him out I just wasnt allowed to see him till christmas the next day. I made them take pictures of the father who was on the farm and he was very stock and weighted about 115-125 lbs from the pictures. My boyfriend told me he looked healthy and from the pics there wasnt anything noticablely wrong with him.

I started to feed him Iams Large breed adult dog food like the vet suggested. My vet told me that he is growing way to fast and could be taken off the puppy food. I'm a little worried that he isnt going to get all the nutrients that he needs. I decided not to change the food, because it agrees with him. Can you also reccomend a vitamin Supplement.
 

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No vitamins! This is the reason you feed a formula (large breed)... to keep the calcium and phosphorus DOWN. Now, if you want a Supplement... I'd try MSM. It's a sulfur source. Sulfur is essential in our diet, and dog food is notoriously deficient. You can't overdose as it's water soluble. It will also serve as a band-aid if he gets hurt, helping w/ cartilage, etc, healing. It helps tremendously w/ my personal allergies too :) For the same band-aid effect, some foods contain glucosamine and chondroitin sulfate -- likely the sulfate part that really does the job. -Anne
 
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