So I always here you guys talking about NILIF. I didn't know what it was and I always would forget to look it up. Well thanks to Bob for mentioning it again, I finally looked it up. What a easy, common sense way to train. I think it will work great for my pack. Honey is catching on faster than I thought so I think it will be good to use that method to reinforce Koko and to train Honey. I use to do it with Koko all the time when I got her...but then I slacked off a bit...due to her usually not over stepping her boundries but...I think Koko likes to obey..it makes her feel good so I will start back! Thanks Bob!