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TO THOSE OF YOU NOT FAMILIAR WITH JOE ARPAIO, HE IS THE MARICOPA
COUNTY SHERIFF( ARIZONA ) AND HE KEEPS GETTING ELECTED OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

These are some of the reasons why:

Sheriff Joe Arpaio created the "tent city jail" to save Arizona from
spending tens of million of dollars on another expensive prison complex.

He has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for
them.

He banned smoking and porno magazines in the jails, and took away their
weightlifting equipment and cut off all but "G" movies. He says: "they're in
jail to pay a debt to society not to build muscles so they can assault
innocent people when they leave."

He started chain gangs to use the inmates to do free work on county and city
projects and save taxpayer's money.

Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn't get sued for
discrimination.

He took away cable TV until he found out there was a federal court order
that required cable TV for jails. So he hooked up the cable TV again but
only allows the Disney channel and the weather channel.

When asked why the weather channel he replied: "so these morons will know
how hot it's gonna be while they are working on my chain gangs."

He cut off coffee because it has zero nutritional value and is therefore a
waste of taxpayer money. When the inmates complained, he told them, "This
isn't the Ritz/Carlton. If you don't like it, don't come back."

He also bought the Newt Gingrich lecture series on US history that he pipes
into the jails. When asked by a reporter if he had any lecture series by a
Democrat, he replied that a democratic lecture series that actually tells
the truth for a change would be welcome and that it might even explain why
95% of the inmates were in his jails in the first place.

With temperatures being even hotter than usual in Phoenix (116 degrees just
set a new record for June 2nd), the Associated Press reports: About 2,000
inmates living in a barbed- wire-surrounded tent encampment at the Maricopa
County Jail have been given permission to strip down to their
government-issued pink boxer shorts.

On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing pink boxer shorts were chatting in the
tents, where temperatures reached 128 degrees. "This is hell. It feels like
we live in a furnace," said Ernesto Gonzales, an inmate for 2
years with 10 more to go. "It's inhumane."

Joe Arpaio, who makes his prisoners wear pink, and eat bologna sandwiches,
is not one bit sympathetic. "Criminals should be punished for their crimes -
not live in luxury until it's time for parole, only to go out and commit
more crimes so they can come back in to live on taxpayers money and enjoy
things many taxpayers can't afford to have for themselves."

Wednesday he told all the inmates who were complaining of the heat in the
tents: "It's between 120 to 130 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living
in tents too, and they have to walk all day in the sun, wearing full
battle gear and get shot at, and they have not committed any crimes, so shut
your damned mouths!"

Way to go, Sheriff! If all prisons were like yours there would be a lot less
crime and we would not be in the current position of running out of prison spaces.

If you agree, pass this on.
If not, just delete it.

Sheriff Joe was just re-elected Sheriff in Maricopa County , Arizona
 

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I wish ALL jails were run like that. If you commit a crime and are convicted and sent to jail or prison, then you should not have any rights. PERIOD.
 

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I think it is sad and inhumane. :( They made have made horrible choices, but they are still human beings. I know most ppl here will disagree with me.
 

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i agree with what this sheriff is doing. we have prisoners that are able to get college educations behind bars when we have students who can't afford even a public college. i heard on the radio the other day that in one state, if an inmate pays 75.00, he/she can be transferred from a state prison to a federal prison where the cells are much nicer and the food much better. prison isn't suppose to be a luxury.
 

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Momma to J and A said:
I think it is sad and inhumane. :( They made have made horrible choices, but they are still human beings. I know most ppl here will disagree with me.
jen, i agree with you.

i enjoyed the article though. good comic value and makes good sense, too, but at the same time, how does one decide and make rules about what is or isn't humane? heated debates and controversies are not uncommom when it comes to prisons and the penal system.
 

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My concern would be how "nutritional" a 40 cent meal is.
I do agree that they are there as a punishment. As long as they are treated well, meaning not beaten, normal work hours, etc. they should be working.
Is there a cutoff for temps? Do they get any heat relief if it reaches over a certain degree?
All in all, if I knew that's where I was headed I know I would rethink committing a crime, but that is coming from a person who looks at life in a totally different way than a good portion of the inmates, I would assume.
 

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I wonder how some do gooders would feel after their own home/family suffered at the hands of the inmates from these prisons.

The offenders knew that they were doing wrong and that there was a chance that they would get caught but prison is no longer a deterrent to these people. It's true that they get fed and watered - the only drawback being the lack of freedom.

Watching a television programme recently and a thief who got caught stealing a car gets an $80 fine and a smack on the wrist for a 2nd offence !

Crime pays and that sucks
 

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I forget what the numbers are for incarcerating a person in NY for one year. It was surprisingly pretty close to a good salary (30K comes to mind). Corrections is big business in our area as we are home to 4 state prisons. I hear plenty of talk on the inmates living conditions and I'll tell you we could use a different approach.

Every year we have a volunteer campaign to clean along our highways. WTF! We have inmates who could do that,thank you very much! I've heard on Friday nights the inmates get take out (subs) and have extended TV (cable) hours. I hope that this is not true. The inmates don't have to do a **** thing. Ever. I have never seen an imate outside of the prison other than getting care at one of our hospitals. (They get to go first by the way,you have to wait)

The beauty of this, is our inmates come from NYC, as it's some kind of upstate/downstate crime policy. Once a NYC criminal is jailed in our area his/her "friends and family" move up here to be closer. They set up shop,get on our social service programs and the fun begins. Our newspaper in the "police blotter" usually has the names and addresses of those arrested,too many are from NYC. Our county welfare office doesn't have the expertise that downstate counties do and are scammed by the "professional" welfare recipients.

I think an appropriate blend of punishment and compassion are in order. Sherriff Joe is a bit much but so is NY states policy.
 

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I forget what the numbers are for incarcerating a person in NY for one year. It was surprisingly pretty close to a good salary (30K comes to mind). Corrections is big business in our area as we are home to 4 state prisons. I hear plenty of talk on the inmates living conditions and I'll tell you we could use a different approach.

Every year we have a volunteer campaign to clean along our highways. WTF! We have inmates who could do that,thank you very much! I've heard on Friday nights the inmates get take out (subs) and have extended TV (cable) hours. I hope that this is not true. The inmates don't have to do a **** thing. Ever. I have never seen an inmate outside of the prison other than getting care at one of our hospitals. (They get to go first by the way,you have to wait)

The beauty of this, is our inmates come from NYC, as it's some kind of upstate/downstate crime policy. Once a NYC criminal is jailed in our area his/her "friends and family" move up here to be closer. They set up shop,get on our social service programs and the fun begins. Our newspaper in the "police blotter" usually has the names and addresses of those arrested,too many are from NYC. Our county welfare office doesn't have the expertise that downstate counties do and are scammed by the "professional" welfare recipients.

I think an appropriate blend of punishment and compassion are in order. Sherriff Joe is a bit much but so is NY states policy.
When I posted this originally it started off as a joke.

I concede that this Sheriff may be a tad hard but I totally agree with the work ethic, and I don't mean sewing mail bags either !
 

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Well, I can tell you that at least here in Ontario, our CFs are a touch too "soft". As most of you know, I work for a criminal defense office, and frankly, most of our clients who have done time, don't particularly care if they go back. What does that say about our system? To me, prison should be a place that puts the fear of God into you, a place that no matter what you don't want to go back to. A place that upon getting out of, you toe the line like you've never toed the line before so you don't have to go back. A place that actually rehabiliates you for society.

We only see that with maybe about 3% of our clients. The rest aren't particularly bothered by going back in. They should be imo.

I somewhat applaud Sheriff Joe. Some of his ideas are a tad harsh, but crap, if it's keeping guys from getting out and re-offending, then it's working. There has to be a fine line though, and oh yes, he's totally crossed it, but he keeps getting re-elected. I think if CFs could apply some of what he practices in the system, then that would be a good thing. I agree that inmates shouldn't have cable t.v., among other "luxury" things, and I like the idea of chain gangs to an extent. I think that fully copying him is nuts, but certainly, taking some of those ideas and tweaking them could be a good thing.
 

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I'm okay with this if he wants to run his prison this way, although I disagree that most prisons are the country-clubs that he seems to want to paint them as.

And the thoughts of Paris Hilton wearing nothing but pink boxers is.... strangely hot. ;D
 

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I wonder how some do gooders would feel after their own home/family suffered at the hands of the inmates from these prisons.
I certainly hope that wasn't directed at me. To assume that i have not expereinced crime in my home and family would be sadly incorrect. I just choose to see the bit of humanity that exists in every person. Every person is created in the image of God. I look at a prisoner, whose life is royally f-up, and I say, "this is one image of God."

Pardon the bible quoting, please:
Mathew 25
I was hungry and you fed me,
I was thirsty and you gave me a drink,
I was homeless and you gave me a room,
I was shivering and you gave me clothes,
I was sick and you stopped to visit,
I was in prison and you came to me.'

37-40"Then those 'sheep' are going to say, 'Master, what are you talking about? When did we ever see you hungry and feed you, thirsty and give you a drink? And when did we ever see you sick or in prison and come to you?' Then the King will say, 'I'm telling the solemn truth: Whenever you did one of these things to someone overlooked or ignored, that was me—you did it to me.'
 
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I like the principles behind this - no luxuries (he's right about our soldiers having to deal with more heat and a lot of taxpayers not being able to afford the same level of living some inmates get in jail) and I don't think they need gyms, college educations for free, porn, cigs, etc. and he is meeting the bare minimum of civil rights. Why do they deserve more than that when I have to work to get it and they get it for being in jail??!!

The flip side is I don't think they need to be housed in 128 degree tents. I wouldn't do that to my dog, I even kept fans for my horses in the barns in the shade. Cut em some slack there.

And HELL yes they should be working and I'm not talking about telemarketing - chain gangs are just fine thank you very much. Again, I don't get to sit on my butt doing nothing and getting three squares, a bed to sleep in, clothes to wear, cable TV, etc. Why should someone doing time?

BTW, I have this attitude and my own brother has been in jail for five finger discounting. He agrees with me. One stint and he hasn't gone back. If jail is not a major deterrent for crime then we might as well just bend over and take a whippin from the criminal element. They sure as hell don't care about us and our rights.
 

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That passage is out of context; it is an admonition by Christ to do these things; care for the sick and poor, minister to the weak and those in prison. Never did Jesus say that people in prison should be given air conditioning and TVs, nor did he say that those who commit crimes should go unpunished.

I'd like to point out that Jesus was quite harsh to those conducting business in the Temple...

All and all I think that Sheriff Joe (who lived not to far from my brother's house, BTW) is on to a good thing. Prison is meant as a PUNISHMENT, not deterrant. Rehab programs are a special privilege, not a right. I think his spartan and military environment helps keep the prisons safer in the long run, as most prisons and jails tend to be drug infested dens of murder and vice.
 

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That passage is out of context; it is an admonition by Christ to do these things; care for the sick and poor, minister to the weak and those in prison. Never did Jesus say that people in prison should be given air conditioning and TVs, nor did he say that those who commit crimes should go unpunished.

I'd like to point out that Jesus was quite harsh to those conducting business in the Temple...
No, it is NOT of out of context. And I did NOT argue that prisoners should live in the lap of luxury. But, treating a human being as sub-human in not appropriate. It is not our job on earth to make another human being's life as miserable as possible

What does the story of the money changers in the temple have to do with this? They were not disobeying man's law.
 

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They were disobeying God and man's law (their own temple rules) and the point was that he reacted strongly, and they're not being treated inhumanely. What about these people's victims, who quotes scripture for them?
 

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But, treating a human being as sub-human in not appropriate.
Not to step in here, but is this treatment sub-human? I would think sub-human would involve whippings and starvation and lying in their own waste.

Didn't millions of workers in this country -- those farmers who planted and harvested crops, those miners who went into the bowels of the earth, those road crews who dealt with heat and danger -- didn't they face similar situations? Were they treated as sub-humans?
 
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And the thoughts of Paris Hilton wearing nothing but pink boxers is.... strangely hot. ;D
I am just glad the heifer is in jail!!! ;D
Amen to that sister. Let miss thing sit with the commoners a while and contemplate her toes. Her UNPEDICURED TOES. O THE HORROR OF IT ALL!

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MickeysMommy said:
They were disobeying God and man's law (their own temple rules) and the point was that he reacted strongly, and they're not being treated inhumanely. What about these people's victims, who quotes scripture for them?
You want to get into a scripture quoting contest? I don't care to, thank you, although I certainly could. My point from the beginning is that Jesus urges us to treat people with compassion. That does not take away from the need to confine and punish those who have disobeyed society's laws.
 
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