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We recently bought Ben (he was 6 mos.) and when we told the breeder we were feeding Taste of the Wild (grain free) to our other two dogs she said that was fine for Ben. He's doing great But I recently read here that grain free might not be appropriate for puppies.
I went to the dog food analysis site and many of the reviews said not appropriate for puppies because of high calcium and protein. It did not say this for TOTW and its protein content was 10% less than the ones with "the warning". Calcium was not listed.
Your thoughts on if we're "okay" would be greatly appreciated. Going to get more dog food today.
 

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My adult is on grain free and my puppy is on a LBP food - not grain free. My breeder was quite adamant about what a bad idea it would be to have the puppy on a grain free food.

But - my puppy is just 10 weeks old - a 6 month old is probably not as much risk.
 

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Don't worry about the protein. That's an old relic that refuses to die. There were older studies from 20-30 years ago that though protein caused problems. All studies since then have refuted that assertion. It was the calcium that caused the problems. Most of the grain-free foods do have a lot more calcium and protein, but there are some that do not have as much calcium.

Contact Taste of the Wild and they'll tell you how much calcium is in it. They've always been really good at quickly replying to any questions I send them.
http://www.tasteofthewildpetfood.com/contact_us/
 

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Thank You

thanks for the website. They responded very quickly. I'm pretty comfortable with what I'm feeding now. Thanks again
 

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Orijen is the only grain free food (LBP) that has safe amounts of calcium for growing Labs. Feed till one year of age and switch to adult. And Orijen does not use ethoxyquin, BHA or BHT as a preservative in their fish.

TOTW is too high in calcium. I found the amounts from over a year ago but I don't think they have changed. You want calcium of 1.5% or below.

Taste of the wild /calcium 2.1

Pacific stream/ calcium 1.9

wetlands/ calcium 2.1

EVO and Natures Variety Instinct (3% and 2.49%) are also too high.

Hi protein is not an issue for pups as mentioned above.
 

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Thank You

Thanks...I'll try to find it around here. Orijen isn't a brand that I have ever noticed around here (northeast) but maybe I just didn't look hard enough. I'll keep my eyes open.
 

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Orijen is the only grain free food (LBP) that has safe amounts of calcium for growing Labs. Feed till one year of age and switch to adult. And Orijen does not use ethoxyquin, BHA or BHT as a preservative in their fish.

TOTW is too high in calcium. I found the amounts from over a year ago but I don't think they have changed. You want calcium of 1.5% or below.

Taste of the wild /calcium 2.1

Pacific stream/ calcium 1.9

wetlands/ calcium 2.1

EVO and Natures Variety Instinct (3% and 2.49%) are also too high.

Hi protein is not an issue for pups as mentioned above.
Thank you for posting the amounts. I see where it's no longer on their website (or maybe it never was). I agree, I would not feed a food with that much calcium to a puppy.
 

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Orijen is the only grain free food (LBP) that has safe amounts of calcium for growing Labs. Feed till one year of age and switch to adult.

Actually, Go! Natural has Now! which is suitable for growing puppies, as is Fromm Surf and Turf.
 

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I didn't know about those foods. Good to know.

Checking them out, while calcium is safe, I personally like the ingredients in Orijen better. More protein less potatoe, pea, pea flour, etc.

If I had to make a choice between the 2 I would choose the Fromm.
 

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As others mentioned it's the calcium/phosphorus levels you have to watch. Orijen is great and I believe that Fromm foods have the correct levels as well, but you would have to check into that. High protein is not bad for a dog of any age (puppy, adult, senior). Unless your dog has a pre-existing kidney or liver condition there is no restriction on protein. The studies that were done to prove high protein was bad for dogs wasn't actually even done on dogs, it was performed on RATS!!! A dog will use whatever protein they need, and the rest gets passed in urine and feces. So you may feed more protein than your dog will use (which means you might be throwing away money?), but you won't hurt your dog.
 

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Because I couldn't find Orijen around here (and ordering it online with shipping was astronomically expensive) I have temporarily switched him to Blue Buffalo chicken and Brown rice but I think I did see Fromm somewhere about an hour from here so I'll get that for the next bag.
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Unless your dog has a pre-existing kidney or liver condition there is no restriction on protein. .
This depends on the condition. It is no longer advised to feed low protein to a dog in kidney failure. (unless BUN is 75 or higher). Rather to feed higher "quality" protein. I went thru KF and fed a 26% protein with added eggs or cooked chop meat daily. Low phosphorous is important. My girl did great for 1 1/2 years (no outward signs - maintained thru regular blood work) to the age of 16 when anemia made my choice to let her go to the bridge.

There is good info on this at www.dogaware.com

I also have experience with liver disease (Chronic Active Hepatitis) and was not advised to feed low protein (my girl is on Orijen) by my vet, her internal specialist and a world renowned liver specialist at Colorado U. Vet School. If the dog has a liver shunt low purine diet (not low protein) is advised.

There is info on this as well at the above site.
 

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I'm interested in Orijen LBP too, it is at the top of my list, but one thing is nagging at me.

If there is anyone that has fed it through puppyhood I would like to know whether the puppies seem to grow faster than puppies fed other LBP foods? What with it being so calorically dense.

If it is the calcium level and total calories that makes the difference in joint disease, well the calcium level is lower in Orijen's food, but how does one control the calories, just feed sparingly?
 

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but how does one control the calories, just feed sparingly?
More or less, yes. Maintaining a proper weight is the key. I can't remember as it has been a few years since I've read those studies, but I think the problem is twofold. They tend to grow faster with abundant calories, and two, being overweight adds unnecessary stress to the joints. You don't have to feed sparingly, just feed to maintain a proper weight. If the pup starts packing on the pounds, cut back. You don't have to starve them, you just don't want to provide excess calories and have an overweight pup.
 

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I'm interested in Orijen LBP too, it is at the top of my list, but one thing is nagging at me.

If there is anyone that has fed it through puppyhood I would like to know whether the puppies seem to grow faster than puppies fed other LBP foods? What with it being so calorically dense.

If it is the calcium level and total calories that makes the difference in joint disease, well the calcium level is lower in Orijen's food, but how does one control the calories, just feed sparingly?

When grain free first became popular I kept in touch with a breeder for a good year who fed Orijen to pups, adults and seniors. All her dogs did great on it.

I have another breeder friend that has raised 3 litters on Orijen and all pups are doing great.

I feed it now and will be feeding it to my upcoming litter.
 

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Just an update. I managed to get the local pet store to special order Orijen for Ben. So far so good. I did have to reduce his ration by about 1/3 cup per feeding to maintain a nice waistline but the little skamp really likes it and found his way into a new bag one day when we weren't looking.
 
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