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I posted a question yesterday about my pup being too lethargic for her age and got no responses so I guess no one had an answer or suggestion which doesn't surprise me since my vet can't figure it out either. I've been thinking about it and I'm wondering if she is allergic to her food. She is way too sleepy all the time, finished her antibiotics but still seems off. She has a runny nose all the time and gets the "eye boogers", pants when it is not hot and just doesn't seem to be breathing right sometimes. I thought it might be her food so i didn't feed her first thing this morning just to see if anything would change...sure enough, on our walk she wasn't sneezing, didn't have snot coming out of her nose or the eye boogies and seemed to have more energy. Could she be allergic to her food or is this incident just coincidence? I use Purina One Large Breed Puppy Food (she is 5 months old). :confused:
 

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It's unusual for a Lab puppy to be lethargic -- have you talked about this with your vet?

If you want to try another food, you might try a small bag of "Diamond Naturals Large Breed Puppy Food" (not plain Diamond, Diamond Naturals is a higher grade).

Here's a link to the Diamond dealer locator:

http://www.diamondpet.com/dealer_locator/

 

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I have been to the vet every week for the last month trying to solve this. We did x-rays on her chest and he thought it looked like the begining of pneumonia so we hit it with stronger antibiotics which cleared it up and we thought we were done but the first day after the antibiotics were finished, it started happening again. Laziness, snot and excessive eye boogies (sorry..that's what we call 'em). 3 weeks worth of antibiotics should have nipped it, but has done nothing. In my non-veterinary opinion, I'm thinking the antibiotics just retarded the allergies which is why they started up again after she finished them.
 

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i looked and there are a few suppliers near my house that carry that product. What is it that you like about that type of food?
 

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Did they do a blood test?
 

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Also wondering about blood values...

Has she been checked for parasites/worms? How are her BMs?

While it doesn't sound like allergies to me (that and shes awfully young for allergies, really) I would try and get her on a better food.
 

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If the pup is having allergy symptoms (ie. running nosy, runny eyes, etc.) then be sure to read the label on anything you are feeding her. That includes treats as well as her dog food.

Wheat, corn, artificial colors and flavors, and other additives should be avoided. There are several limited ingredient diet (LID) dog foods available. The Diamond Naturals that Bob suggested is good. I have also had my two labs on Breeder's Choice dog foods (Pinnacle, Avoderm, Active Care) with good results. There are also a couple of threads on this site that have discussed different dog foods extensively.

Food allergies are a trial and error method until you find out what food or ingredient is triggering the reaction.

It is very unusual for a puppy her age to sleep that much and to be so lethargic. Keep a journal of what she eats, where you take her to play or for walks (in case the allergy is to something besides food). It may help you and your vet find the answer faster. Good luck and keep us posted. She is a real sweetie. Cute pictures.
 

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We have done a blood test yet. We did xrays last time which is when he suspected the pneumonia and I have an appointment on Wednesday, so I guess a blood test is the next step. She had tapeworms and roundworms when she came home from the breeder but was cleared of them with a shot as well as her preventative pill. I haven't seen a worm in aa month. What are BM's? Bowell Movements maybe? If so, they are normal and regular (twice a day usually).
 

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Bowel movement, yes.

I would get a full blood work up done, I'm actually surprised your vet didn't suggest that to start with the presentation of a sick, lethargic pup.

What I also find concerning is that allergies don't cause lethargy, if anything allergic dogs are over-active trying to relieve the incessant itching that accompanies 90% of canine allergies.
 

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I'm going to start the process of changing her food today and then get the blood work done on Wednesday. I'm ready for Jazz to be bouncing of the walls with energy!! I need a dog that can keep up with me!! Thanks everybody!!
 

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If it were me, I wouldn't switch her food right now. You could always get a second opinion from a different vet. What does your breeder say?
 

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i looked and there are a few suppliers near my house that carry that product. What is it that you like about that type of food?
It has good ingredients, it's formulated for LB puppies (correct calcium, potassium, kcal levels) and no corn or wheat (which are probably among the most common causes of allergic reactions).

But I'm concerned about your vet's trial and error approach -- maybe it's this, let's try this remedy; Gosh, that didn't work so maybe it's that, we'll try ____, etc., etc.

In the meantime, your pup suffers and your purse suffers also because every failed treatment attempt isn't free -- is it?

Incorrect, misguided treatment attempts are usually VERY costly and often lead to more similar excursions.

You may like your vet very much and s/he may be very good for usual, every day common issues.

BUT, for difficult to diagnose issues, I so much prefer the advanced diagnostic skill of specialists and the state-of-the-art diagnostic resources at a College/School of Vet Med's Teaching Hospital that we use one regularly for ALL of our vet services (since I'm retired and K-State's is only 50 minutes away, largely by Interstate highway).

With my first lab, Bess, we settled on a really nice local vet, friendly, seemed to love her. But I gradually grew uncomfortable with him.

My wife and I took he and his wife sailing one night and he joked about treating 5 & 10 cent store ill turtles. His Rx: take a picture of their markings and buy a replacement. When I repeatedly took Bess back for shattered and sometimes bleeding toenails, he said it was from digging in our backyard and repeatedly gave her another round of penicillin injections.

One evening, my wife and I had a colleague, a child psychiatrist, over for dinner.

Bess was schmoozing them, as usual. I mentioned to David her toenail problem and he looked, then picked up a paw of Bess, sniffed it, and said she had a fungal infection. That proved correct and an anti-fungus med cured it. My trust in our vet was further shaken. When a child psychiatrist could accurately diagnose within a few seconds what our vet missed on repeated visits........ something seemed wrong.

A bit later, when I took Bess in to Dr. ___ for some condition, in his exam he discovered she had cancer of her mammary glands and wanted to operate.

But by then I'd lost enough trust in his wisdom/skill that I deferred and took Bess to Kansas State's CollVetMed Teaching Hospital.

They tested and found the cancer had also metastasized to some of her lymph system.

They did a radical mastectomy PLUS a partial lymphectomy.

Bess was 7 years old at the time.

Bess lived almost 7 more years.

If I'd let Dr. ___ do the surgery, he would have missed the metastasis and Bess would have died within a year.

After that, we did ALL of our vet work at KSU.

And now do the same with Puff.

While you can self-refer to A&M without your vet, to keep harmony, you might ask for a referral so he can send records of all the work previously done.

Best wishes for a happy outcome and a problem solved.

 

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I just saw your other post. We had the same problem with one of our pups. Until he was 7 months old we could not figure out why he was so quiet. We did all the same things you describe as far as vets and test. Thinking it may be some type of grain allergy we tried the grain free route. Didn't work. Long story short, he is allergic to chicken. He is now on Natural Balance LIB Duck and Sweet Potato. Boy did the energy come back fast! He is now 11 mon old and doing wonderfully.

My suggestion, try a different protein source. Who woulda thunk?
 

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So we went to the vet today and we are going to put her on a stronger antibiotic for 2 weeks. The weeks worth antibiotics worked for the most part last time but the snot and lethargy came back the day after we finished them. We are going to go for two weeks this time and see what happens. In the mean time, the doctor gave me a swab/test tube thing for me to get a good sample of the nasal discharge so they can get a good culture and see what we are dealing with. If this doesn't work, the next step is a tracheal wash. I will keep y'all posted.
 

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'I'm ready for Jazz to be bouncing of the walls with energy!! I need a dog that can keep up with me!! '

I don't mean to be nasty, but how old is this pup? I am concerned about what you might be expecting. The thread makes me think this pup is3-4 months old. A pup that age is doing a lot of growing. Energy comes in spurts that don't last that long and then its nap time. 5 minutes exercise per month old is a guideline used. Are you expecting too much too soon???
 
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