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    DefaultHas anyone heard of these books?

    Here is a link to some ebooks I found on labs. Has anyone every gotten these? Are they reliable?

    http://www.yourpurebredpuppy.com/ebo...evers/11T.html

    If these books are not the best, what books can you recommend. I just got my 8 week old puppy and I want to do my best to prevent joint problems now while he is young.

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    DefaultRe: Has anyone heard of these books?

    I have read:

    The Culture Clash by Jean Donaldson. Not specific to Labs, but a book about how dogs think...it also gives some good ideas on training.

    Also

    Labrador Retrievers for Dummies...seriously, it is an "easy read" and gives what I think are some good ways to train.

    I got them both at Borders books.

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    DefaultRe: Has anyone heard of these books?

    I looked at that site and while it has a few worthwhile things, there are some things pronounced in an authoritative way that IMO are incorrect; I think you can do better.

    You might try Jean Donaldson's "Power of Positive Dog Training"

    http://www.amazon.com/review/product...owViewpoints=1

    I've read (& have) her "Culture Clash" and she's mainstream. This new book sounds like an update and an improvement on "CC" (which is good).

    Also get "Dog Owner's Home Veterinary Handbook" about $25 + S&H from Amazon. It covers dogs and symptoms from birth to old age and will save worry, needless trips to the vet (& $$$$$), as well as avoiding delays when urgent care is needed.

    http://www.amazon.com/review/product...owViewpoints=1

    This forum is also helpful although not everyone with an opinion is an expert or right.

    If you haven't already, please read/scan through:
    https://www.justlabradors.com/forum/i...ic,1694.0.html
    Puff [YF, AKC field line (from competing HT/FT breeder) 62 lbs, dob: 8-'01]

    Bess [BF, AKC bench line (from competing show breeder) 55 lbs., 1967-1981] "Poor Bess, the Wonder Dog":
    http://forum.justlabradors.com/showt...?p=748#post748

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    DefaultRe: Has anyone heard of these books?

    I have the "updated" version of The Culture Clash...the front has a pic of a girl and a dog on it...the first version is just a red cover with silhouette...
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    *edited for spelling, because that drives me crazy AND inserting link

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    DefaultRe: Has anyone heard of these books?

    I have the "updated" version of The Culture Clash...the front has a pic of a girl and a dog on it...the first version is just a red cover with silhouette...
    I think what's inside the CC cover reads just the same, I haven't heard that the text has been updated.

    Some of the reviews of the "Power of + Dog Training" say it's kind of an updated, reorganized version of "CC". I very much liked "CC" but some people object to JD's chippy attitude and also its organization. P+DT is supposed to be more user friendly.

    I do, however, understand that P+DT recommends the use of a head halter such as made by Gentle Leader.

    MOST Labs that I've heard of HATE them and its infernal strap over the nose. A few tolerate them. A very few accept them. Puff tolerated hers BUT it drained the color from her fur under the strap over her nose.

    The Gentle Leader Easy Walk had much better acceptance.
    Puff [YF, AKC field line (from competing HT/FT breeder) 62 lbs, dob: 8-'01]

    Bess [BF, AKC bench line (from competing show breeder) 55 lbs., 1967-1981] "Poor Bess, the Wonder Dog":
    http://forum.justlabradors.com/showt...?p=748#post748

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    DefaultRe: Has anyone heard of these books?

    "The Power of Positive Dog Training " is by Pat Miller... it's a wonderful week-by-week training guide.

    Jean Donaldson does have a new book out though (with one of my all time favourite titles "Oh Behave!") - I haven't read it yet though, and there's a dvd available - "PERFECT PAWS IN 5 DAYS" - which sounds like a more practical training manual.

    I'd also recommend any of Patricia McConnell's books. (and I wouldn't waste my money on that ebook.. but I'm not a big fan of anyone that claims to be able to reveal "the great deep dark secrets" that everyone else is hiding...)

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    DefaultRe: Has anyone heard of these books?

    "The Power of Positive Dog Training" is by Pat Miller & Jean Donaldson, co-authors
    Puff [YF, AKC field line (from competing HT/FT breeder) 62 lbs, dob: 8-'01]

    Bess [BF, AKC bench line (from competing show breeder) 55 lbs., 1967-1981] "Poor Bess, the Wonder Dog":
    http://forum.justlabradors.com/showt...?p=748#post748

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    DefaultRe: Has anyone heard of these books?

    Jean Donaldson wrote the preface to Pat Miller's book, that's all.. for some reason Amazon considers that 'co authoring'.

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    DefaultRe: Has anyone heard of these books?

    Jean Donaldson wrote the preface to Pat Miller's book, that's all.. for some reason Amazon considers that 'co authoring'.
    Thanks, I didn't know that. I was just going by Amazon's listing.

    Does it follow JD's protocols?
    Puff [YF, AKC field line (from competing HT/FT breeder) 62 lbs, dob: 8-'01]

    Bess [BF, AKC bench line (from competing show breeder) 55 lbs., 1967-1981] "Poor Bess, the Wonder Dog":
    http://forum.justlabradors.com/showt...?p=748#post748

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    DefaultRe: Has anyone heard of these books?

    Pat Miller is a "pure" clicker trainer, using only positive reinforcement and negative punishment.. the book is a week-by-week training manual, one of the best and most comprehensive clicker-based training books out there.. highly recommend it for new owners

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