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    How old was your lab when you started teaching fetch? We have been trying with Milly and using treats but when she knows that you have treats on you the whole idea of leaving you to fetch something and bring it back is the last thing on her mind. The first time is great but once she knows she gets a treat then she just wants what you have.

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    if the treats are too distracting do not use them in this case.

    keep it SHORT and FUN - your pup is a baby (7-9wks if I remember correctly)?

    Not sure if this works at that young of an age, but this is what I normally recommend:
    tie the dog on a long line. do nto attach the other end to anything, leave it near you on the ground. Show the puppy the toy. Be super exited, jumpy, happy with the toy. Throw it out. Should (in the happiest squeakiest voice) to come back (you may not want to use the word COME, maybe even just use the word PUPPY....just a word to get their attention). If the puppy is not listening GENTLY, very gently tug the long line towards your. once the dog is heading your way let go and keep jumping up and down and chearing. Make it so that the BEST PLACE IN THE YARD IS RIGHT BY YOUR SIDE. When the puppy comes (using the long line as needed) have a party. I wouldn't even concentrate on the "dropping it" right now, one step at a time. Dance around, shout with joy, act like a fool (seriously, the sillier your feel, the better it is).

    Again, only do 4-5 max per session.
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    DefaultRe: Fetch

    What are you using for treats?

    Is it something of higher value than regular kibble?

    IF so, I suggest you measure out the amount of kibble you'd give for a regular meal into a Ziplock bag. Then do your few training trials just before regular meal time and use kibble from the forthcoming meal for your pup's treats. The special, "high value" treats can be used for special situations (such as "Come!" when there are appealing distractions).

    Tanya's instructions were good. Below is a copy of a similar post I've often made that's a bit more detailed.

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    Teaching to retrieve --

    For a puppy, if you have a blind hallway, you can start by rolling a ball or toy down the hall toward the blind end. The pup will run after it and has no choice but to come back to you. At that time, praise, and exchange a treat or a bit of kibble for the ball/toy along with more praise.

    Repeat 2-3 times. Always quit while it's still fun and interesting to your pup/dog.

    I didn't have a blind hallway and we used a 25 foot/8 m. kite string tied to a rubber toy dumbbell.

    We went out in the front yard and I'd throw it in first one direction, holding on to the bitter end (i.e., the non-toy end) of the line. Puff went after it and when she picked up the toy, I reeled back both Puff and the toy she was holding, praised her, and gave a treat in exchange for the toy. You might also say, "__(name)__, Give!" at the time you're offering the treat and getting the toy delivered to your hand. Then you'll be teaching another useful command: ("Give!").

    I threw it in a different direction next time. Repeated as above
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    You do need to vary the directions you throw it and the locations you use because young dogs can easily (too easily) become site-specific in their learning.

    E.g., a woman 5-6 years ago on JL complained that her Lab would retrieve when she sat in a particular chair in her living room and threw a toy from there but would not retrieve any place else. When you vary the locations and directions it helps them easily learn to generalize.

    ALWAYS KEEP THE RETRIEVING FUN, NEVER WORK.

    If your pup's enthusiasm starts lagging after 5 trials, drop to 3 or 4 the next time you try it. If it lags after 3 trials, drop to one for awhile until the interest and enthusiasm builds up.

    If you train just before normal feeding time, your pup's motivation for food will be higher and have greater reward effect.

    As your pup learns to retrieve and enjoys it, you can increase the # of trials.

    Many people assume that a Lab should retrieve automatically, without training.

    While SOME Labs may, probably the majority need some training to retrieve.

    Chasing after a moving object is native and instinctual for almost all dogs but bringing it back to someone else and giving it up is not and that part often needs training.

    However, for many Labs, once they learn to retrieve, it's often the thing they enjoy most in life and have an endurance for fetching greater than the arm endurance of the person throwing the object.

    That's not bad because most Labs need a lot of daily vigorous exercise to be docile and civil. "Fetch" is a wonderful way of meeting most of those needs.

    But a few Labs become too obsessed with retrieving and need to have limits imposed.

    And a few get EIC (Exercise Induced Collapse) and become weak and shaky; this seems to be a genetic fault of a few Labs and is under investigation at a consortium of US & Canadian Vet colleges. The Labrador Retriever Club's website has a section on this.
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    DefaultRe: Fetch

    Baloo was probably around 7 months before he really started to "get" it.

    The treat thing didn't work for us either. He wouldn't budge for anything if he knew I had food. I also tried to tie a string to the toy in the hopes that he would grab the toy and I could lure him in. He attacked the string. : :P

    I had resigned myself to the fact that I had a non-retrieving retriever when all of a sudden he just started retrieving. Pretty6 much out of the blue!

    I think one thing that really helped was getting him around other dogs that were retrieving. He saw how much fun they were having so eventually figured out how to make the game work for him too! ;D
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    DefaultRe: Fetch

    What are you using for treats?

    Is it something of higher value than regular kibble?
    We use her kibble for training. Rarely do we use anything else at all! We only started to try and teach her fetch because she'd run after anything thrown and bring it half way back of her own accord and then at the last minute dart off in a different direction. So we figured she had the first part going ok why not see if Fetch/Give would be an easy one with Milly? I think the problem we have is introducing the kibble but without it if she has the toy she's not interested in coming back to you at all. But then with it she won't actually chase whatever it is that we've thrown in the first place. *frustration!!*

    Sometimes if we're just watching TV she'll bring her toys in one by one and give them to us but only when SHE feels like it. When she does that we say (for example) "Give Teddy - Great Job Milly!" and maybe she'll go get a different toy and then we say "Give Ball - Great Job Milly!" But it's really on her terms at the moment and might happen once every 2 days? And if ANYTHING is tied to string then the string is MUCH more interesting than her boring old toys. So i've bought her 2 new balls in the past 5 days. The new ball is then the "coolest" toy for about 24 - 48 hours and then either bark or string or sticks or leaves in the back yard are MUCH more appealing....
    Sarah & Milly - Sydney Australia






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    DefaultRe: Fetch

    And if ANYTHING is tied to string then the string is MUCH more interesting than her boring old toys.
    Not a problem.

    As long as the toy is tied to the string, toy AND string come back when you pull the string.

    I think you're being extremely sensitive to Milly's behavior (which is VERY good and bodes well for the future) BUT I suspect now you're reacting too quickly to what she does and altering the task you give her rather than getting her to alter HER behavior. As a result, if you change the task, she'll not learn. You're "enabling her" to randomly undesign the educational program you've designed.

    Tie a toy onto a string and tease her with the toy -- so she almost can possess it but then, for awhile, you keep yanking it away but then enticing her some more, etc., until that toy becomes the most desirable thing in the universe for Milly at that moment.

    Then throw it.

    If you've really teased and enticed her the right way, she'll run after it.

    Then pull Milly and the toy back and follow the protocol I described.

    QED


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    DefaultRe: Fetch

    Tie a toy onto a string and tease her with the toy -- so she almost can possess it but then, for awhile, you keep yanking it away but then enticing her some more, etc., until that toy becomes the most desirable thing in the universe for Milly at that moment.
    We played some fetch yesterday with her kong teddy on a string and she kinda got the idea. She's sort of figuring out that when I say "Fetch" she should run after the teddy and pounce on it and she's sort of figuring out that when I drag her back in on the string and say "Give" if she releases the teddy she gets a piece of puppy kibble.

    We'll keep at it and see if she continues to improve.

    Thanks for all your advice!
    Sarah & Milly - Sydney Australia






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