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    DefaultTraining "down" - updated

    it's been awhile since I've done this - but I'm teaching Tundie (Foster) to lay down.

    I have him getting the picture - but am still having to put my hand on the ground with a treat to get him down.

    HOW do I get a signal in this that doesn't involve me going to the ground?

    Do I just teach the word, once he's got that (no hand) I start with a new signal?
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    DefaultRe: Training "down"

    I'm now so into shaping I'm trying to think back to my last lured dog.
    what would happen if you held signal hand down and rewarded from other hand .. even if ther eis a treat in luring hand... then slowly lengthen the time between lured down and treat production... then fade treat right out of signal hand....

    take it in tiny increments and I think you'd be ok...

    good for you working with the boyo!
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    If you're luring with your hand, I would just start to shorten how far down you go. Work up until it's just a downward gesture with your hand. Or, start luring him with the same hand, but put your treat in the other hand (without him knowing) and give him the treat once he's in position.

    Sometimes you have to wait for them to start to try. For example, when Baloo was learning down, eventually I would have to say "down" with the hand signal and then wait. When the treat didn't come immediately he'd start to try and figure it out. He'd sit. No treat. Give paw. No treat. Lay down, mom says "YES" and he gets treat!
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    Sigh. They said he was a very smart dog. Maybe he's just outsmarting me on this! (or maybe it's the stubborn part).

    He isn't getting it. But I am using the "go down a little bit less" tactic with mild success. I am able to get just below the knee - otherwise he stares at me like i've lost it. Baby steps. We've been at it a week.

    How would you teach this without luring?
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    DefaultRe: Training "down"

    I had the same problem with Zeus. He's stubborn and his nose is good so he knows where the treat is...lol
    He did get better I just had to take the intervuls slower with him than with Mocha.
    I lured while showing him the treat at first then went to trying to hide the treat in my palm then trying to just use the hand signal (all the way down) and treat when he was down then we added the voice command to it when they were doing that regularly. He's still not 100% but I'm not as vigilant about it as I should be and we only went through one class when I should have kept going with him.

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    DefaultRe: Training "down"

    Quote Originally Posted by Tanya


    How would you teach this without luring?
    with a GREAT deal of patience...

    Sally was shaped wholely for her down and its a VERY strong default behaviour now - even while she is yakking at me..

    She was with me a great deal when little and eating many many small meals ... when she was in a down I'd catch her, reward her and move on

    soon when she wanted something she'd lie down and watch for me to "catch her" down... at that point I added a verbal cue

    I wish I'd shaped all my dogs down ..it worked brilliantly for her
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    Quote Originally Posted by conrad
    when she was in a down I'd catch her, reward her and move on

    soon when she wanted something she'd lie down and watch for me to "catch her" down... at that point I added a verbal cue

    I wish I'd shaped all my dogs down ..it worked brilliantly for her
    penny learned this way, too.

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    DefaultRe: Training "down" - updated

    YAY! he seems to get it

    the only "problem" (and I hesitate to call it so) is the signal he know recognizes. It's is: my right hand down on my leg (I am standing) and tapping gently on me knee/leg. oh well, he gets it!

    we are working on sit/down/stand (stand being a new command, i am luring but less so now). and he gets it I will switch it up (stand, down, stand, sit). oh the side we are working on "shake" (shake a paw)
    Charlie (foster) and Rocky

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    DefaultRe: Training "down" - updated

    don't worry about your cue ...

    sally's most automatic cue for down is my hands on my hips .. LOL

    I hadn't even realized that was a positional cue for weeks

    glad you are working away with him
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    DefaultRe: Training "down" - updated

    Quote Originally Posted by Tanya
    it's been awhile since I've done this - but I'm teaching Tundie (Foster) to lay down.

    I have him getting the picture - but am still having to put my hand on the ground with a treat to get him down.

    HOW do I get a signal in this that doesn't involve me going to the ground?

    Do I just teach the word, once he's got that (no hand) I start with a new signal?
    With Dale, his trainers hand signal was hand up, chest high, palm outward.....sort of like how a crossing guard signals to a car to stop.

    She taught Dale word with hand signal.....always did both, so did I. Now I just hand signal and he goes down. Took me 4 days to get Molly to do it. But when she did it wow.....I was so proud haha.

    I did the same thing, word with hand signal and the first 4 times where she just stared at me, I bent over, lifted her front paws and slowly lowered her into position, quickly followed again by hand signal with word DOWN and reward.

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