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    I have posted before and got some good advice (none worked) but now I'm at my witts end and ready to banish my girls to the back yard for ever. I can't walk them any longer because they seem "dog agressive", UNLESS, we are in large groups of other dogs, then they are fine. I don't get it. I have tried everything short of finding a new home for one of them. It upsets me to no end that they act this way. They need the excercise(a tired dog is a good dog) otherwise the one gets crazy, we call it having ants in her pants. We love them dearly and want to include them in everything including travel. How can the two sweetest dogs turn into such DEVIL dogs? HELP, PLEASE!

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    Your best bet is to work with a trainer that will come to your house and set up some training protocols to help you with this...

    If a trainer isn't available, or even if one is available, look at these books - "Feisty Fido" by P. McConnell, or "Click to Calm" by Emma Parsons or "Bringing Light to Shadow" (Dennison, I think)

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    how does having trouble walking them get solved by banishing them to the back yard?

    I hope I'm misunderstanding here

    ...have you read fiesty fido? click to calm? any training books?

    gone to a trainer?

    work each dog on wlaking manners seperately - when dog one can walk well for a short time try it over again with dog two - take whatever dog is EASIER for you to work with first

    then get the more difficult dog walking alone with you

    are you using a head collar, a sensation harness.. any other tools?

    you may never find it easy to walk both dogs together - but if you have a fenced yard you should be able to make sure they get lots of exersise even so - that does NOT mena turning them loose unsupervised though

    hang in there and work out a PLAN to get this dealt with - even old dogs and old handlers can learn new tricks together
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    Oh my yes. I have been to a behaviorist ,they said there were no aggression issues at all. They were perfect angels.? They have been to a master trainer,on her property,with her dogs there, (no reaction) they run and play with her dogs in her dog park, no problems, very submissive. This seem to be only on walks, in the car and in the house. If other dogs get close enough to sniff( with supervision) they will carry on for a bit but will eventually walk away and be fine it's the initial sight and meeting. They just go crazy! Hackles up, it's scary( for others) and embarrassing! They have never bitten another dog but I'm afraid the excitement could get to that. They are never unsupervised and I have gone to great lengths and spent allot of money to try to socialize them. The only thing that I can think of is the day my rescue dog was bitten by a pit bull. Now they are nervous when other dog get too close.

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    find a trainer/behaviourist that will come on a walk with you, or videotape them at the worst so the trainer can see whats going on. And do pick up one or more of those books..

    What the 'master trainer' did by letting them loose on neutral ground is no indication on how they will behave together, on leash, with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaytris
    find a trainer/behaviourist that will come on a walk with you, or videotape them at the worst so the trainer can see whats going on. And do pick up one or more of those books..
    Ditto. Time to call in outside help. olice:
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    You've been given great advice. I wish you the best of luck - it sounds like you are trying

    I know you did try seeking outside help with that trainer, but I do not understand how they can help solve a "on leash walking" problem by having the dogs offleash. You need someone that will work with you on the actual problem, that can tell you what exactly the cause is. There is something setting them off.

    I highly recommend taking them on seperates walks. It might be one that is causing the problem. Maybe the one that was attacked is scared and the other dog is over compensating to protect them. The issue might be the "together" part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by conrad
    how does having trouble walking them get solved by banishing them to the back yard?

    I hope I'm misunderstanding here

    ...have you read fiesty fido? click to calm? any training books?

    gone to a trainer?

    work each dog on wlaking manners seperately - when dog one can walk well for a short time try it over again with dog two - take whatever dog is EASIER for you to work with first

    then get the more difficult dog walking alone with you

    are you using a head collar, a sensation harness.. any other tools?

    you may never find it easy to walk both dogs together - but if you have a fenced yard you should be able to make sure they get lots of exersise even so - that does NOT mena turning them loose unsupervised though

    hang in there and work out a PLAN to get this dealt with - even old dogs and old handlers can learn new tricks together
    I definately agree with the walking seperately as they will egg each other on! You definately need a trainer who specialises in socialiosation...banishing to the back yard wont help

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuzbutz2
    Oh my yes. I have been to a behaviorist ,they said there were no aggression issues at all. They were perfect angels.? They have been to a master trainer,on her property,with her dogs there, (no reaction) they run and play with her dogs in her dog park, no problems, very submissive. This seem to be only on walks, in the car and in the house. If other dogs get close enough to sniff( with supervision) they will carry on for a bit but will eventually walk away and be fine it's the initial sight and meeting. They just go crazy! Hackles up, it's scary( for others) and embarrassing! They have never bitten another dog but I'm afraid the excitement could get to that. They are never unsupervised and I have gone to great lengths and spent allot of money to try to socialize them. The only thing that I can think of is the day my rescue dog was bitten by a pit bull. Now they are nervous when other dog get too close.
    They will sense your nervous too! When you approach do u naturally grab lead as tight as you can? They will sense this and think there is something to be worried about or it could be initial excitement. Try teaching them "watch me" also.

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    Hi again, About the trainer, the day I was at the trainers dog park wasn't a a training session. I thought it would aid in some socilization practice and it was great fun for them. Her dogs are well trained. In the real world people who walk their dogs don't always have them under control (letting them run ahead on those flexi-leads, or like those little dogs barking and jumping at the end of the leash) I think thats some of the difference. I don't know? I do use a prong collar, have tried the halti (that was like using a fishing spinner, when she got excited she would spin at the end of that thing) Control isn't the problem, I want to fix the problem, not just control it. I just picked up "feisty fido" we'll give that a shot. If not, I guess I'll talk to the trainer about going for a walk with me.

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