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    DefaultIs it normal?

    To constantly be saying "NO"! all the time when training a 4 mo old? Sometimes I think it sounds horrible and I get tired of listening to myself, but I think this is what I did with Mo Man. Also, I know once they actually learn the commands, you should only give the command ONCE...it's an order not a request. Am I correct?

    I keep lecturing myself NOT to expect things over night. When you've owned a wonderful senior, going to the puppy stage is brutal !
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    I think its pretty normal, when you ask them to do something make sure you reinforce the command. So if you say sit and they dont, make them sit. Having them on a lead when training also help keep their attention and use high value food treats.

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    normal, but not necessarily ideal. The puppy doesn't know the rules of living with a human, and he'll learn a lot quicker (and it will be a lot more enjoyable for both of you) if you guide and reward the responses you want, rather than constantly correcting bad behaviour.


    Measure out his meals and use them throughout the day to reward good behaviour.

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    I very much agree with Kaytris's advice.

    Also, make sure your pup has enough daily exercise. Most JL'ers advise 5 minutes of unforced vigorous exercise for each month of age (up to a year). That's fetching, swimming, etc. My Puff seemed to be wired and hyper as a pup so I gave her that amount twice a day, when needed, morning and evening.

    A tired Lab is a good Lab but a bored Lab can be a royal PITA.

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    I agree, Bob Pr. I do throw his kong in the a.m. and p.m. He usually will let me know when he's had enough because he'll lose interest.

    Speaking of that, he will go and get it but won't bring it right to me...any suggestions? Should I use treats? I'm afraid if I use treats, he'll drop the kong long before he gets to me or just be more concerned with knowing I have them.
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    Below is a copy of a post I've often made.
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    Many people assume that a Lab should retrieve automatically, without training.

    While SOME Labs do, probably the majority need some training to retrieve.

    Chasing after a moving object is native and instinctual for almost all dogs but the bringing it back to someone and giving it up is not and that part usually needs training.

    However, for many Labs, once they learn to retrieve, it's often the thing they enjoy most in life and have an endurance for fetching greater than the arm endurance of the person throwing the object.

    That's not bad because most Labs need a lot of daily vigorous exercise to be docile and civil. "Fetch" is a wonderful way of meeting most of those needs.

    However, a few Labs become too obsessed with retrieving and need to have limits imposed.

    And a few get EIC (Exercise Induced Collapse) and become weak and shaky; this is a genetic fault of a few Labs and was investigated by a consortium of US & Canadian Vet colleges. The Labrador Retriever Club website has a section on this.
    Teaching to retrieve --

    For a puppy, if you have a blind hallway, you can start by rolling a ball or toy down the hall toward the blind end. The pup will run after it and has no choice but to come back to you. At that time, praise, and exchange a treat or a bit of kibble for the ball/toy along with more praise.

    Repeat 2-3 times. ALWAYS QUIT WHILE IT'S STILL FUN AND INTERESTING TO YOUR PUP/DOG.

    I didn't have a blind hallway and we used a 25 foot/8 m. kite string tied to a rubber toy dumbbell.

    We went out in the front yard and I'd throw it in first one direction, holding on to the bitter end (i.e., the non-toy end) of the line. Puff went after it and when she picked up the toy, I reeled back both Puff and the toy she was holding, praised her, and gave a treat in exchange for the toy. You might also say, "__(name)__, Give!" at the time you're offering the treat and getting the toy delivered to your hand. Then you'll be teaching another VERY useful command: ("Give!").

    I threw it in a different direction next time. Repeated as above
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    You do need to vary the directions you throw it and the locations you use because young dogs can easily (too easily) become site-specific in their learning.

    E.g., a woman 5-6 years ago on JL complained that her Lab would retrieve when she sat in a particular chair in her living room and threw a toy from there but would not retrieve any place else. When you vary the locations and directions it helps them easily learn to generalize.

    ALWAYS KEEP THE RETRIEVING FUN, NEVER WORK.

    If your pup's enthusiasm starts lagging after 5 trials, drop to 3 or 4 the next time you try it. If it lags after 3 trials, drop to one for awhile until the interest and enthusiasm builds up.

    If you train just before normal feeding time, your pup's motivation for food will be higher and pieces of kibble exchanged for the toy will have greater reward effect.

    As your pup learns to retrieve and enjoys it, you can gradually increase the # of trials.


    Puff [YF, AKC field line (from competing HT/FT breeder) 62 lbs, dob: 8-'01]

    Bess [BF, AKC bench line (from competing show breeder) 55 lbs., 1967-1981] "Poor Bess, the Wonder Dog":
    http://forum.justlabradors.com/showt...?p=748#post748

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    That is GREAT info. I think (it's been so long ago) I might of rewarded Mo with a treat occasionally to give up the ball/frisbee/kong. He was a WONDERFUL retriever and always brought it back. I actually had him trained to give it right to me in my hand. He was good at EVERYTHING he did. I miss him so much Sorry, every time I talk about training Limo, I try and remember what I did with Mo and as I type, I just cry. Mo is the love of my life and always will be. I want Limo to be as good of a dog as Mo was.
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    May 17, 1998 - May 20, 2009

    The Love of My Life
    Rest in peace my Sweet Chocolate
    I Love You and Miss You so much


    He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion.



    LIMO

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