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    This year has brought the publication of a number of journal articles (and thus, main-stream synopses) on "dominance" or "alpha" theories and dog training. I thought I would post a few links so those interested could read them over

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0521112711.htm

    http://www.upenn.edu/pennnews/article.php?id=1548

    http://www.thedogfiles.com/2009/05/1...trained-badly/

    Happy reading!

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    Thanks -- there's a great deal of similarity in the questions they were asking and in the results they found. When there's this research at the U of Bristol (UK), UPenn (USA), and U of Cordoba (Spain) and they're all reporting results at the same time, that doesn't seem accidental, does it? (I'm not suggesting they cooked their results.)

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    Am I interpreting the third link wrong? It seems to contradict the first two.

    "According to Joaquín Pérez-Guisado, the main author of the study and a researcher from the UCO, some of the factors that cause aggressiveness in dogs are: first-time dog ownership; failure to subject the dog to basic obedience training; spoiling or pampering the dog; not using physical punishment when it is required; buying a dog as a present, as a guard dog or on impulse; spaying female dogs; leaving the dog with a constant supply of food, or spending very little time with the dog in general and on its walks."

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    "To correct the animal’s behaviour, the owner should handle it appropriately and “re-establish dominance over the dog”, the researcher adds. In terms of physical punishment, Pérez-Guisado points out that “this method cannot be used with all dogs given the danger involved, although it could be used to re-establish dominance over puppies or small and easy-to-control dogs”. However, “it should never be used as justification for treating a dog brutally, since physical punishment should be used more as a way to frighten and demonstrate the dominance we have over the dog than to inflict great suffering on the animal”, the vet states."

    Physical punishment? Really?
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    Sorry! I must've scanned that too quickly -- I'll have to re-read it tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jefferson'n'Ted View Post
    Am I interpreting the third link wrong? It seems to contradict the first two.

    "According to Joaquín Pérez-Guisado, the main author of the study and a researcher from the UCO, some of the factors that cause aggressiveness in dogs are: first-time dog ownership; failure to subject the dog to basic obedience training; spoiling or pampering the dog; not using physical punishment when it is required; buying a dog as a present, as a guard dog or on impulse; spaying female dogs; leaving the dog with a constant supply of food, or spending very little time with the dog in general and on its walks."

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    "To correct the animal’s behaviour, the owner should handle it appropriately and “re-establish dominance over the dog”, the researcher adds. In terms of physical punishment, Pérez-Guisado points out that “this method cannot be used with all dogs given the danger involved, although it could be used to re-establish dominance over puppies or small and easy-to-control dogs”. However, “it should never be used as justification for treating a dog brutally, since physical punishment should be used more as a way to frighten and demonstrate the dominance we have over the dog than to inflict great suffering on the animal”, the vet states."

    Physical punishment? Really?
    I think that article was poorly written. The author should clarify what is meant by "physical punishment".

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    I've never heard that spaying a female dog causes aggressiveness before. The first two links were consistent with what I have read about training, but the third seemed to be out in left field!
    “If I know every single phone call you’ve made, I’m able to determine every single person you’ve talked to; I can get a pattern about your life that is very, very intrusive. And the real question here, is what do they do with this information that they collect – that does not have anything to do with al-Qaeda? And we’re gonna trust the president and the vice president that they’re doing the right thing? Don’t count me in on that.”
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    The third article is all over the place and reinforces some urban myths IMO. While there is some thought that spay at a certain point in a female dog's cycle can "fix" a level of testosterone in their system - I don't think that this necessarily = aggression.

    And - leaving food out makes a dog aggressive??? I think it makes them fat.

    I do agree with both of the other sources. Maybe the one from the University of Cordoba suffered in the translation.
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    I have issue w/ the oversimplification of the problem on all accounts. If truth were known, it's probably a little bit of all of the above--- and it's interesting that they are all downplaying genetics which I think is *total* BS. I've seen the trends in lines, yes, even Labradors.

    I do think a worked dog is a better companion, and I do believe that food should in many cases be earned, not just "there" for a free lunch, but then I believe that to be true in human society as well. If there is never an incentive to serve, there is less of desire... Anne

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