My Wife and I just brought Gia home last night, so don't mind my typos, have no sleep under my belt. Just have a few questions.
The breeder is feeding her 1 cup total a day broken down in 3 sessions. Which we are following and mixing it with water to help her digest it. My question is "IS that enough?" she seems to be always going to the food dish and is still hungry is that normal?
One more question: We had her in the crate which is at the end of the bed, and wow she wined and puppy barked so loud i was worried she was going to wake up the neighbors kids. SO my wife and I ended up going and laying down next to the crate till she feel asleep and then we went back to the bed. Does that ever let up a bit i know it was her first night, but is there anything i can do to make her more comfortable. We did play with her a lot before she went to bed as well.
Oh one more thing. she didn't go to the bathroom at all in her crate last night, and she seemed really good about wining and letting us know she had to go. I think we took her out ab out 4 times from 10-6 over night as well. I was hoping she could sleep from 10-2 and then 2-6. I'm not sure if she just wanted to go outside, but evertime we took her she went. Should i keep the crate up in the bedroom or move it downstairs? She really only sees the crate at bedtime and i dont know if she thing of it as a happy place.
Thanks again for all your help and again forgive the typos we drove a total of 12 hours to get her and then well ya no sleep.
PS: Pictures coming!!
Thanks so much
If your breeder gave you those guidelines to follow, it is probably enough. Most Labs act hungry all the time...breed trait unfortunately!The breeder is feeding her 1 cup total a day broken down in 3 sessions. Which we are following and mixing it with water to help her digest it. My question is "IS that enough?" she seems to be always going to the food dish and is still hungry is that normal?Sleeping next to her sounds fine to me. Do it for the first couple of nights to help her settle. A pups first night away from its dam/littermates is a scary one...YOU being there made the transition a whole lot easier.One more question: We had her in the crate which is at the end of the bed, and wow she wined and puppy barked so loud i was worried she was going to wake up the neighbors kids. SO my wife and I ended up going and laying down next to the crate till she feel asleep and then we went back to the bed. Does that ever let up a bit i know it was her first night, but is there anything i can do to make her more comfortable. We did play with her a lot before she went to bed as well.This is totally up to you. If you want to keep her in your bedroom, great. Labs are very social creatures that will always appreciate company. If you want to put her downstairs, do it sooner rather than later.Should i keep the crate up in the bedroom or move it downstairs?
Hmm. One cup total per day seems like an awfully small portion but it depends on the food. I'd ask the veterinarian and call on that question right away. I think what you are doing to help your puppy settle is exactly right. They love to be with people and this is all new to them. It is natural for them to cry be a little scared. As for your last question, that's up to you, but most labs want to be with the people and won't be happy sleeping in isolation, but if you won't want your lab sleeping in your room long term, move him now.
Yikes...I must have read that wrong. I read 3 cups a day. I agree that 1 cup doesn't sound like enough for a growing pup. At 2 months mine were getting 2 cups, 3 months -- 3 cups, 4 month -- 4 cups, and they peaked at just over 4 cups. I started reducing 4 1/2 cups back down to 3 1/2 at 6 months. As adults they get 3 cups a day, or 2lbs of raw.Hmm. One cup total per day seems like an awfully small portion but it depends on the food.
I learned a good bit from my Veterinarian brother this past weekend. I had asked him about preventative measure is hip and back knee problems. Here is what he and another small animal specialist informed me:
One of the most important thing we can do for our PUPPIES is keep them trim to a little under weight. Another huge mistake is asking them to be TO active. running hard stopping hard chasing balls and the like when they are still young and the bones are still soft.
I guess they had talked to some lab breeder around here who said,"I can take a puppy from genetically unsound parents on both sides and raise them and have no hip diplacia (sp) but it all starts with keeping them a little UNDERweight as puppies."
I am so regretfull of what I did to my chocolate lab, she was rolly polly and we encouraged her to VERY active. I will not make that mistake again!!
Any way, those were to top two mistakes people make. The other were to much calcuim and protein. I have listed them in the order of importance given to me by the vet. As was mentioned before in this thread. Labs just always act hungry. It is to easy to over feed them. But for their sakes we need to be firm and consistant. I see more over weight labs than any other breed.
Hope this helps someone. I really wish I had access to this forum 10 years ago when I bought my Chocolate!
Ok, I am crying cause I have to type this again (got that connection error the first time)
Just want to note that Chatham is my first lab and I am by no stretch of the imagination an expert. This is what I did and it worked for me.
Chatham is crated in our room. The first two nights, I would take him out everytime he cried (about every 2 hours or so) because I wasn't sure how long he could wait. When he went back in he would cry. I would lay on the floor in front of the crate and talked to him reassuringly in a soft voice. He would go to sleep.
After that, I tried to wait at least 3 hours before taking him out. We would go to bed at 10 and I wouldn't put him out until after 1am (he usually woke up around 1am). Then he would go out again after 4am if he woke and we were up for the day at 6am. If whined in between that time or after going into the crate, I would talk to him reassuringly from the bed. After that, I would only say "go back to sleep", so he would know I was there. Eventually, I just ignored him. Sometimes he would cry forever(well it seemed like it) but he would stop.You have to be careful, you want to reassure him but you dont want to spoil him. You dont want to have to get out of bed all night. I think you learn when he is upset and when he just wants attention.
It wasn't long before he stopped waking at 1am and only woke once a night at about 4am (mostly my BF would wake him going to the bathroom). He wouldn't cry, just bang his head trying to walk out of the crate. He also stopped whining after going back into the crate. He sleeps through the night now and has been for awhile (he is 4months) but will demand to go out if one of us wakes him up. Chatham pulls the trying to get in bed with us, all I have to do is point to the crate and he goes in.
They say the dogs can last all night without going out, but I didn't mind getting up once. We never had an accident. My biggest concern was creating the habit and him doing it the rest of his life.
We didn't really need to crate him during the day, but I always made a point to put him in it a couple of times, just so he would get used to it. After playing and he was really tired, I would put him in for a nap. Alot of people on here suggest feeding/treating him in the crate to create a positive association. I would have done that earlier if I had known, now he gets a stuffed kong everytime he goes in (with the exception of bedtime). We have no problems crating him now, although he only goes in when we go out or for bed.
As for the food, I am still struggling with that one. I would go with what the vet says. I asked a similar question and was told it should be a cup for every month of age up to 6 months(I think, my post isn't too far back under nutrition). This was close to the guidelines on my food so I am sticking with that. I am not sure if I will feed 6 cups a day though. They also said his weight in pounds should be about twice his age in weeks. It is really hard to tell for me if Chatham is hungry or greedy. He sits by the food cupboard everytime he comes in the house, so I suspect he is just greedy.
Good luck. I am still pulling my hair out wondering if I am doing this right, but so far its been working. They are so worth it though.
Updated cause I forgot some stuff from my original post.
Chatham ~ chocolate Labrador Retriever
Kaper ~ German Shepherd
Hary ~ German Shepherd
1) A cup of X is not always equal to a cup of Y. You must take into account the calories. Some dog food have 500 claories/cup and other only 300.
That being said, yes, trim is good, too thin is very bad.
I think your dogs should be getting closer to 1000 calories/day. Give or take.
http://www.mycockerspaniel.com/mer.htm - I would use this site and then the bag...then use whatever is lower to start with. Dog gets big, cut back, dog gets thin...add more. Whatever you do, do it slowly.
2) Crates are really great and your dog will get use to it. Trust me. I think you should use it during the day as well anytime you can not watch the pup. Even if its for 2 minutes. Use treats every time in the beginning. Within 2 days the dog will stop whining, maybe even sooner! He may wake you up in the middle of the night for a month or two in order to go potty. Some dogs are better than others, but it all part of that bonding experience...you can always lift the water around 7:30-8. I stilll lift my 9 month old around 8 ish. Then he has his last break around 9:30-10.
3) I like my dog in the room, this way if something happens (i.e. they get sick - maybe throw up) I am there. If my dog was in another room, I would never know. There is something to say about the dog sleeping in the other room though. The dog won't wake you as much - some dogs are noiser than other at night (i.e. moving around). I'd stay away from ever letting the dog i the bed, but that is just my preference...I learned the hard way.
Whatever you decide, like someone said, start now - it will make everything easier later.
Gerst made some good points. Always crate when you can't supervise. My vet told me that too. It's really in their best interest. They will eat anything and everything, including things that can kill them. Also, it is good to be able to hear them if they get sick. When Miles was young, he threw up quite often at night because of the things he ate when I wasn't looking. One time he threw up a rock the size of a quarter and I got it just in time before he ate it again. When they are really young they have to be watched constantly. Like toddlers.
Thanks so much for all your replys,
Comcast decided it was a good time to bring my cable down for updates for a few days then i was soo busy.
Again thanks so much, and we did up her foor, we feed her almost 2 cups a day now at 8 week, and we are slowly increasing it as well.
Our pup, Scout, usually has a great temperament (we've had him for 8 days and he is 8 weeks and 1 day old). His bowel movements were really irregular so we cut down his feeding to twice a day - 3/4 to 1 cup each feeding. We went to the vet yesterday and while we thought our pup was too thin, he said it was a good weight for him and to keep doing what we were doing. he said there is no 'one answer' for feeding - each pup and each dog food is different. You just have to watch carefully.
On another note - any quick advice on this one ... our dog is a nut about food! He normally has a calm temperament, but yesterday, for the first time we started 'treat training' him a little to help him focus. It worked great, at first, he was sitting like a champ. But, when it was done he followed us around the house and whenever we'd stop, he'd sit automatically and when we wouldn't give him a treat he'd jump all over us and whine. I tried to ignore him but he wouldn't calm down. We tried to get him to take a nap (and he usually naps a lot) and he was so anxious about getting treats he wouldn't calm down. He is also extremely worked up at feeding time because he is so excited.
Does anyone else experience this with treats? After a good night sleep last night, he is back to his regular personality, and now we are scared to give him a treat for doing good? Any thoughts???