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    My fiance and I got two brother labs at 8 weeks and now they are about 5 months old. We have both tile and carpet in our house. So far, our puppies have been very very good about not going on the carpet but they still have accidents in our kitchen where the tile is. We take the pups out before and after they eat, and when we are home, once or twice every hour, especially after they have water we will take them outside. When we take them out we let them play and run some laps in the yard or up and down the fence row until they're tired with the neighbor-dogs.

    Still, when they come inside they will go potty on the floor. The crazy part about it is they know that it's bad becuase we make them both come and sit in front of the accident and when we ask who did it, the guilty pup will escort himself to his crate. We definitely do NOT hit our dogs, but when these accidents occur and watch the reactions, my fiance and I are just looking at each other in confusion. We clearly need help.

    Also, the smaller of the two is very timid. So when it comes time to go to bed and we tell them to "kennel up" he will walk over but does not want to go on. he freezes like he's in trouble. When they act out or have accidents we don't even yell that loud at all. The other puppy is fine. I just need advice. We are taking them to obedience classes starting next month, so hopefully that will help too. Thank you kindly for your time and any advice given
    Chance (R) Cooper (L) d.o.b 1/30/2013

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    if they are still doing it in the house it means they do NOT know not to pee in the house. all they know is you are mad at them (body language) so they act contrite.

    supervise supervise supervise. and supervise some more.

    do you make sure they pee when they are outside? do you praise for outdoor potty?

    Do you clean accidents with odour neutralizing product (like nature's miracle - household cleaners don't work.

    Hopefully they are seperated daily for training and bonding and have their own seperate crates. I would take them to seperate obedience classes. ESPECIALLY the younger one - you need to increase his confidence. They need to be socialized seprately.
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    also - if they are outside for 30 minutes, even if they peed when they got out, they probably didn't pee in the last 15-20 minutes if they were playing (having too much fun). make sure you know when they last peed (not when they were last outside).

    I find some dogs need to pee again very shortly after a big outing. I woudl go to the dog park and be out for over an hour with some young ofsters, but they often needed to go back out to pee within 30 minutes of being back home. Once I caught on to that and let them out to pee again they stopped having accidents. Work with them.
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    Hmmm, I think you are better off catching them peeing on the floor and whisking them outside rather than taking them to the accident after the fact. Potty training is hard, but if you do what Tanya suggests and constantly supervise, you will have them trained in no time. Todd is 5 months and (knock on wood) hasn't had an accident in over a month. I never let him out of my sight though and really paid attention to his potty schedule. He would drive me crazy in the evenings when he was most active...he would pee every 15 minutes at times. I just kept taking him out as soon as he stopped playing and started sniffing around. I also treated him every time he went potty. Eventually he started running to the door, thank goodness! Good luck, I'm sure it's harder with 2! They are really cute!
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    They are old to not be potty trained. I suspect that in part this is due to you having 2 same aged puppies. You cannot treat them as a unit - they are individuals. You need to bring each out separately on a leash and be out there until they potty. Then praise to reinforce.

    Having 2 siblings is quite difficult even for those who are very experienced. You need to put in double the effort for everything. You need to exercise separately, train separately and even play with them separately in order for each dog to develop as an individual. What you are seeing with the one who is less confident is typical when people have 2 puppies.
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    ^= good advice.
    When puppies are playing and all excited, they may pee where they are, inside or out without thinking about it.
    If you think you're at the end of your rope and they still pee in the house, take a sample of urine from each to have the vet test for UTI's.
    Don't assume the one who looks guilty is guilty, especially if you have a sensitive, timid one. The timid one will be upset whenever you yell even if it's directed to the other one. Tone down the corrections for his sake. He will be upset every time he sees that you are upset about anything. I know it's not easy because I have a sensitive one who gets upset every time I scold one of the others.

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    And - you will be vastly more successful in teaching your dogs anything if you praise and reward the behavior you want instead of punishing (even mildly) the mistakes. Dogs don't have the ability to anticipate your wishes and you need to teach them what you desire. When you yell about a pee accident, they do not extrapolate that they should have peed outdoors - they just know that the human is angry. They also live quite in the moment and correcting for anything less than instantly is pointless.

    Dogs will work hard to please you if you let them know what pleases you. When they pee outside make it a huge party complete with treats. They will keep doing that to please you and get more positive reinforcement.

    When you catch them in the act of peeing in the house - take them right outdoors. If they finish peeing outside, praise, praise, praise. No yelling, no drama.
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    Yelling at your puppies after the fact is pointless, yelling at them at all is pointless. They have no idea what you.are scolding them for, they only know you are angry. As Sharon said above, you will have much better results with positive training. If you follow all of the good advice above you will have much happier dogs and a peaceful home. Good luck!
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    See that's the thing, we don't even yell at them. We just ask who did it? I know it seems careless when reading what I say, but we really are positive with them. It's stressful, I'm not denying that but I know yelling won't do anything. We have these little training treats from tractor supply and with those and positive praisal we have these results. I feel maybe every 30 minutes rather than every hour would work, and i like the idea of taking them out 1 at a time. they are too nice and too cute. I just want them to be trained well. And this is not frequent either.
    Chance (R) Cooper (L) d.o.b 1/30/2013

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    Hi,

    I've been away for a few years but am back with an 8 week old Black boy named Angus. I've had Labs since I was a child...

    Anyway...the first thing I would suggest is to have them both leashed when first taken out; take them to separate potty spots and make sure they do their business before allowing play time. After they've done their business, give them a small treat.

    Time their play and end it with a return trip to the potty area and another treat.

    I would not use the crate as a discipline tool either; we want it to be a "safe" place for the puppy (and a sanity saver for us).

    With this routine, the puppies should quickly learn when and where pottying is appropriate. Their bodies will regulate to their schedule after time.

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