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    well sophie is now 14 months and having a few little probs with her. First is shes very disobediant when shes out, she doesn't come back to the call, and competely ignores you. now in the house or in a controlled enviroment she will sit, stay, heel lie down ect and is very obiediant give it a little impatient at times but have got her up to stay for a few mins out of sight. how do i get her attention when not in a controlled environment, i have tried keeping tip bits on me at all times and did seem to work at first but she soon got bored.

    Another problem is she barks at people. ok this might not be such a bad thing for alerting us if anyones about but shes really puts her hackles up and gives it all. Normally if you ignore her she will just stop and come curious but if they make any eye or voice contact with her she gets worse. I was visiting a friend the other day and hey have a 8 week old lab and she was fine but then they raised the voice at the dog slightly cause he was being naughty to get his attention and that was it wouldn't let them near there pup and everytime they moved a foot she started aggressively barking and put the hackles up. someone chastised her the other week after telling them not to and she went very snappy at them and i grabbed her before she bit. any ideas of how to get her socialiseing with people. being a homebred shes not had any agression showed to her i the house. Only thing i can recall is when she was a small pup around 8weeks i caught some kids from the street hitting her and i think her fear of people came from that and shes using the attack mode with strangers. even people with dogs are weary of her cause she really looks aggressive.

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    1 - recall - dogs do not generalize. sounds as though you have worked on the first step, recall in a quiet environement with no distraction. but you have to continue that training by slowly introducing distractions and by practicing in different environments. You do this with a long line so that when you say "come" (or whatever word) the dog cannot just ignore you - you will gently reel them in. The more you say a command without being able to enforce it the more it looses value. Your dog now knows she does not have to listen when you say come because she hasn't listened until now. So go back to basics, get a long line and practice in a different environment, when moving outdoors start with few distractions at first and slowly go to busier areas. Do not remove the long line until she is 100% and reliable. NEVER use the recall word when you know there is a good chance she may ignore you (I do this even now, just using their name and being exiting rather than using the word). REWARD big time when the come to you, be super duper exited and reward big time.

    2- has she always had issues with other people? did you introduce her to various people when she was young or other than the kids who hit her was she kept away from others? Actually I would talk to a trainer who can work directly with me and the dog to guide me thru this. You need to learn to read her so you can redirect her attention BEFORE she bites - before even her hackles are up. Unfortunately scolding a dog will often reinfoce their distress/worry and up the anxiety level. This needs to be addressed ASAP and I think it should be done with someone experienced who can show you what to do and give you a plan. In the meantime you need to control ALL interactions with humans even if it means you are between her and the human to ensure they comply. But this is short term - you will need to re-socialize her. When on walks if you see her stop a human and she appears to be about to put her hackles up, get her attention (BEFORE hackles go up) and start giving her commands (very simple stuff like sit) and reward as she obeys.

    oh and what doess homebred mean?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mistonia View Post
    well sophie is now 14 months and having a few little probs with her. First is shes very disobediant when shes out, she doesn't come back to the call, and competely ignores you. now in the house or in a controlled enviroment she will sit, stay, heel lie down ect and is very obiediant give it a little impatient at times but have got her up to stay for a few mins out of sight. how do i get her attention when not in a controlled environment, i have tried keeping tip bits on me at all times and did seem to work at first but she soon got bored..
    Recall requires training. You need a long line and treats - let her walk away, call her - treat her if she comes right away - if she does not come - reel her in and treat her then. It helps to do this with another person and make it a game. If she expects a reward when she comes she will come happily.



    Another problem is she barks at people. ok this might not be such a bad thing for alerting us if anyones about but shes really puts her hackles up and gives it all. Normally if you ignore her she will just stop and come curious but if they make any eye or voice contact with her she gets worse. I was visiting a friend the other day and hey have a 8 week old lab and she was fine but then they raised the voice at the dog slightly cause he was being naughty to get his attention and that was it wouldn't let them near there pup and everytime they moved a foot she started aggressively barking and put the hackles up. someone chastised her the other week after telling them not to and she went very snappy at them and i grabbed her before she bit. any ideas of how to get her socialiseing with people. being a homebred shes not had any agression showed to her i the house. Only thing i can recall is when she was a small pup around 8weeks i caught some kids from the street hitting her and i think her fear of people came from that and shes using the attack mode with strangers. even people with dogs are weary of her cause she really looks aggressive.
    I have to wonder how kids from the street had access to her without supervision at 8 weeks... BUT... this is either a problem with her having not been adequately socialized as a younger puppy OR a temperament problem that is rearing it's ugly head now. I suggest you get a professional involved as this is not a simple thing to correct. At the very least - you need to get her into an obedience class.
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    what tanya said. Time for the professionals.

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    thankyou i mean we bred her shes out of my bitch who is the most friendlist social dog going. She was well socialised with people as a pup we used to take her to the town and carry her through the shops that she was allowed in and people always petted her ect. when shes out and im with her and when she starts barking and put hakles up ect i go over to her and calm her down and then often i lift her up and take her over and let them pet her while shes got her head buried in my shoulder not wanting to make eye contact. she was getting better for a while where she wasn't barking but going up and being curious and i would tell them just to either put the hand down and let her sniff but not to try and pet her so she didn;t start barking and the tail was wagging ect. as for being out we live in the country and its like one row of houses well set off the road with our lane as only acess up and down and i was in with the horses and sophie wondered out of the yard when she heard the kids coming up the lane and by the time i was out after her they were smacking her and thinking it was funny scaring the pup.

    at home we have open fields to the front and back of the house and often her and bonnie run the fields while im working about out side doing the horses ect, shes coming in now when shes called and i always make a fuss when she comes in with no hassle and get her treats and praise her and while im working out side i often call the dogs back to check where they are and always make such a fuss to tell her shes been good. at home the coming back has got a lot better. i never smack her, if shes naughty i don't blame sophie, if she doesn't come back i do evventually catch her then i fuss her. She knows shes being naughty when she runs off, which makes it worse cause then shes expecting to be told off so doesn't want to come back even though shes not smacked the guilt to her is enough. we have been looking for obediance classes for sometime and theres not any being held around us at the min as it would be good for both dogs. thanks for your advice.

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    Professional help would be a great idea. I think getting into a group training class may help, other dogs, other people.

    You have been given great advice. Sounds like you have to go to the long lead (15 ft, then 25 ft, then 50 ft) outside. Treats are near mandatory. Good treats! Stinky, she wants them treats (bits of hot dog, liver treats, I used Natural Balance sausage treats, and always praise and be excited when she does come back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mistonia View Post
    often i lift her up and take her over and let them pet her while shes got her head buried in my shoulder not wanting to make eye contact.
    forcing a scared dog to interact with people is a very, very bad idea. She's already clearly told you ( by barking, raising hackles, running away) that she does not want to interact with people. Continuing to force the issue may lead to her escalating the threat and biting someone to drive them away.

    There are a number of good books on dealing with this properly- try McConnell's Cautious Canine and there's another good one by Nicole Wilde (see dogwise.com).


    . i never smack her, if shes naughty i don't blame sophie, if she doesn't come back i do evventually catch her then i fuss her. She knows shes being naughty when she runs off, which makes it worse cause then shes expecting to be told off so doesn't want to come back even though shes not smacked the guilt to her is enough.
    By fuss, do you mean verbal reprimands? Then yes, you're right, she's expecting returning to you to lead to punishment. Doesn't matter when she comes to you, you need to reward her and have a praise party.

    http://www.apdt.com and http://www.trulydogfriendly.com both have trainer search engines...

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    completely agree with kaytris - NEVER force a puppy who is showing fear to interact, they are telling you something and you are pushing her, this can really escalate things very very quickly as she will learn she needs to protect/defend herself as you will not do so (as you are pushing her beyond her conformt zone). You need to take BABY steps to socialize her pushing her in tiny increments and stopping before she shuts down. THIS is why you need a trainer to help you. THe more she associates other humans to being pushed and coherced into complyince the MORE she will add BAD association to strangers and the more fearful she will get. Encourage good behavior but never push too far. Get her GOOD positive exposure to humans - for this you need to find her comfort zone and start there.

    If you reprimand a dog in ANY way when you finally get them (be-it verbal or physical) then you associate returns to punishment. Go back to basics by training with a long line until she is reliable.
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    thankyou as in fuss i mean i praise her, tell her shes a good girl and give her loads of praising for coming back.

    one other problem im having with her is house training her. She knows her toilet area is outside. we reared all the pups in the house and we started them off very young on newspaper and going outside and most of them were pretty well toilet trained before going to there new homes and no one ever had an issue with it. however sophie still thinks she can go in the house where she was reared as a pup. She can go weeks with out anything then suddenly shes going all the time. we stopped giving her water late at night, food she gets fed early evening, she gets walked a few times at night and always let out last thing at night to go to the toilet. when we had her in england on holiday not one accident and same as when my sister had her for two weeks not one accident, but at home shes still haveing accidents in the house i have seen her coming in from outside and 5 mins later shes left a puddle in the hallway no warning or asking to go. Im very switched onto her cause when she does ask for the toilet its such a subtle hint like a nudge or a stare for a few mins so i always let her out. the floors are washed regulary ect and shes outside with me most of the day. Im just thinking that there may still be a smell she can pick up from when they were pups, i don't want to encourage her to go to the toilet by putting newspaper down. Any sugestions? I also don't tell her off for this i ignore her, and ignore the fact shes messed, cause bonnie used to do it for attention seeking and it was the first thing that cured her bad toilet habits. since shes been igored the incident is far less but its far more likely she will mess at night if im on night shift even though same routine shes with my partner.

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    has she been checked for a UTI?

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