Looked at Petfood Direct which has a TON of foods with ingredients etc. Here are the ingredients for one of the Timberwolf Organics foods.
Black Forest Canid Formula is fully balanced and meets the requirements of all life stages, but we do encourage the adding of meats such as muscle meats, organ meats, sweetbreads (thymus, pancreas), eggs etc. It has high levels of linolenic acid, or omega 3 essential fatty acids, from our wild salmon oil including EPA and DHA. In fact, it has the highest ratio of omega 3 to omega 6 fatty acids (1/1.5) that we know of and has 1.25% omega 3 essential fatty acids by weight. We have developed a new proprietary blend of herbal extracts and higher levels of mixed tocopherols and vitamin E to be able to preserve the high levels omega 3s. Research suggests that a high ratio of omega 3 to omega 6 essential fatty acids (greater than 1 to 6 omega 3 to omega 6) may lower the incidence of cancer and may even help animals with cancer live longer than they would otherwise. EPA benefits the heart and circulatory system by promoting healthy blood triglycerides and blood flow. EPA, along with glucosomine, also plays a role in the natural body movement of joints and can be beneficial to joint pain and inflammation. DHA is the most highly unsaturated fatty acid found in nature. DHA supports normal mental function, optimal memory, focus and learning. Black Forest Formula also contains fresh venison meat and organs, fresh seeds, cold water fish and gourmet nut oils such as walnut oil, and herbs and fruits such as parsley, thyme, basil, fenugreek, anise seed, blueberries, cranberries, pears and mint that are used to assist in digestion and for their anti - oxidant properties.
Venison, Whole Ground Brown Rice, Lamb, Whole Ground Millet, Lamb Meal, Venison Meal, Whole Ground Barley, Low Ash Salmon Meal, Whole Ground Flaxseed, Carrot, Watercress, Spinach, Celery, Parsley, Fennel Seed, Wild Salmon Oil, Unrefined Walnut Oil, Atlantic Kelp, Alfalfa Leaf, Amaranth, Blueberries, Glucosomine, Potassium Chloride, Cranberries, Pears, Figs, Thyme, Anise Seed, Ground Cinnamon Bark, Fenugreek, Garlic Pieces, Sunflower Seeds, Apples, Chicory Root, Spirulina, Choline Chloride, Lecithin, Probiotics: (Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Lactis, Bacillus Bifidum, Streptococcus Diacetilactis, Bacillus Subtillus), Taurine, Mixed Tocopherols (a source of vitamin E), Lysine, Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Thiamine, Methionine, Carnitine, Niacin, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Iodine Proteinate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Biotin, Folic Acid, Pyridoxine (a source of vitamin B6), Copper Proteinate, Selenium Proteinate, Cobalt Proteinate, Papain, Yucca Schidigera Extract.
Guaranteed Analysis %:
OMEGA-6 FATTY ACIDS 2.6
OMEGA-3 FATTY ACIDS 1.2
VITAMIN A: 22,000 IU/KG
VITAMIN D: 1,200 IU/KG
VITAMIN E: 350 IU/KG
Black Forest Canid Formula makes a wonderful BARF mixer formula for those who wish to add their own meat as it has higher levels of calcium (1.5%) in relation to phosphorous levels to balance the phosphorous of added meat and because it has high levels of EPA fatty acids. You may notice a very slight dark greenish tint to the kibble, do not be alarmed, it is the high levels of spirulina (spirulina is a very dark green, almost black) and fenugreek. We do not put vitamin K3 (menadione sodium bisulfate) in any of our formulas because of health risks to animals and rely instead on high levels of foods that are high in vitamin k1 such as alfalfa, kelp, oats, egg yolk, and liver. Recommendations: Allergies - Allergic, Maintenance, Obese, Mixer, (Puppy, Lactating, Working, Performance, if meat is added).
That one looks good to me. But I've read not to feed kibble and raw at the same time. So do they mean a separate meal of raw? And if the k/cal are 3530 per kg what does that translate to per cup?
What food is Sam on at the moment?
As excellent a food I think TO is, it is also very rich so not all dogs and especially ones with sensitive digestions would be able to handle it.Yes. A high quality food like this would be great to feed in conjunction with raw if you want to go 50/50.So do they mean a separate meal of raw?
Sam is on Kirkland Lamb and Rice (about 1.25 cps twice a day, with 1/2 scoop Nupro on each). He seems to do well on that but I want to feed the best i can manage. I'm still very interested in the raw. And I want to get more involved in hunt training which would involve more activity on his part. Right now he gets about 30 minutes of retrieving per day, plus misc swimming and running when I can get him out to where the land is.
He's never seemed to have any digestive issues with anything that he's eaten.
If he has no foody issues and you are interested in natural diets or natural kibble in this case, go for it. You always have the Kirkland to fall back on if there is problem. Some would argue that if your dog has no problems on the food he is on you should stick with it (and I tend to agree) but IMO, there is always room for change, and variety in the diet is good.
I feed Timberwolf Organics kibble for breakfast and raw for dinner. My girls are currently on the Lamb and Apples formula. Timberwolf makes great foods and my dogs have done well on them.
I could be wrong, but I think I've read on their website that it's formulated to be fed with raw (in separate meals of course).
You're right, Nick. The TO website encourages feeding some fresh meat or tripe in addition to their foods.