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    LabsLand is offline Senior Member
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    DefaultHow many red flags can you count here?

    I was browsing some websites and I was surprised to see that a breeder offers puppies from a litter whose sire is:
    "Hip/elbow prelim pending. Will be good or excellent with normal elbows. Eye clearance. Optigen B-carrier" and he appears to be around 15 months old!!

    How ofthen does that happen and why a breeder who seems to have been breeding for over 4 generations may allow this to happen?

    I urge potential new puppy buyers to be aware of good practices when researching breeders.


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    DefaultRe: How many red flags can you count here?

    .... oh... and the mom is 20 months old!

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    DefaultRe: How many red flags can you count here?

    that's terrible - they breed without clearances and then give a crappy self opinionated guarantee that they WILL be good or excellent?!?!? That's very wrong...
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    DefaultRe: How many red flags can you count here?

    might have been an "oops" litter.



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    DefaultRe: How many red flags can you count here?

    Some breeders also feel they know their lines well enough to do such a breeding. They are willing to take those risks. Though I don't know how they can predict what his prelim will be. I can see maybe having an idea of what a final OFA will be BASED on a previous prelim...

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    DefaultRe: How many red flags can you count here?

    An experienced breeder might be comfortable doing this, but as a buyer, I wouldn't want to buy a pup based on the speculation of clearances and both parents being so young.

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    DefaultRe: How many red flags can you count here?

    That is what I thought too.

    A "woops" litter... but even knowing the lines and with prelims as far as I understand it's almost impossible to predict, otherwise everybody would be breeding based on prelims. Initially I thought it was a typo...

    However the sire and his brother are for sale !! Maybe they kept them waiting for them to mature and decide if they'd keep them :suspious:

    Yes.. this was more a warning for potential buyers... . This forum is such a source of information and I know what it is to want to have a puppy, but buyers, please take the time to understand what are the no-no's when deciding about the long term commitment of bringing home a puppy.

    I would have to give the breeders the benefit of the doubt since they don't seem to be hiding information... at least they are being honest telling potential buyers what they know and disclosing ages... It is up to the buyers to decide if they want to take the risks :no:


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    DefaultRe: How many red flags can you count here?

    Well, at least they optigen tested him...

    Or his mom was affected and dad was clear LOL

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