I am looking for a good, wheat- and corn-free food for the boys. Buddy does awesome on the Solid Gold Wolf King, but Champ still has huge, very soft poops and sheds like he's trying to win a competition for most hair spread around a house. So, I am looking for something they will both thrive on becuase I really don't want to have to feed two different meals if I can avoid it.
I started adding some EVO to their food, which helped a bit with the poops, but does nothing for the hair problem. I'm afraid to go totally grain-free because of pancreatitis, so want to use a mix. My pet store people recommended the California Naturals mixed with the EVO. Anyone had any experience with this food? I got the Herring and Sweet Potato.
Jackie, Champ, and Buddy
I've been feeding California Natural Herring and Sweet Potato to Trip. He likes it, coat looks good and stools are great.
Just an aside, Jackie, high protein/fat content in foods won't cause pancreatitis. Pancreatitis is caused by having a diseased, malfunctioning pancreas, (due to a variety of different factors, some genetic, some environmental like taking certain drugs, being obese etc) that is set into an acute state of illness when that pancreas tries to break down something high in fat. A normal, healthy pancreas could have handled that high fat food just fine, but the diseased pancreas cannot. A lot of the time the high-in-fat food gets blamed for *causing* the illness, because it is eaten directly before the onset of an attack, but the pancreas was sick long before that incident, the food just brought the symptoms to the surface.
I have a cat with pancreatitis, hers was caused (most likely) by being on powerful steroids for an extended period of time, and being way overweight. She was diagnosed after going into an acute attack after being on a raw diet for a few weeks. Knowing what I know about pancreatitis I'm thankful, because if it weren't for the diet sending her into an attack while she's still relatively young, I probably wouldn't have found out about her illness until much later in her life, when it was far more progressed and a diet change might not have been effective enough to save her. 5 months later on her diet, and she hasn't had any other symptoms, has lost 3.5 pounds (a big deal when you only weigh 13 to start with!! ) and shes healthier than she's ever been.
So I think you'd be fine with the EVO, it's a great food. As long as the boys are kept at an appropriate weight it's all good!
Really. Not what the vets say.Originally Posted by Baloo317
In part: Dogs with diets high in fat, or dogs who 'steal' or are fed greasy 'people food' seem to have a high incidence of the disease.
Yes other conditions can cause pancreatitis, but to say something like high fat diets won't cause it is erroneous.
Jackie, CN always gave my dogs soup poops.
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My friend (who has Puzzle, if you remember her ) feeds a mixture of California Natural and EVO and both dogs do wonderfully on it. The coat might be normal for him for thi time of year though...I know mine have just slowed down in the blowing dept, well except for poop Piper who looks like she has mange lol.
~Nicole<br />Grand Ledge, MI<br /><br />
You'd look like you'd have mange too if you just had puppies. LOLOriginally Posted by JacksAndLabs
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I was going to ask if that wasn't normal for a new Lab mom. And yes, I remember Puzzle.Originally Posted by labby
I am going to try upping the percentage of EVO with the Herring and Sweet Potato CN and see what happens. Champ's poops can't get much soupier than they were on the Solid Gold. He is still blowing like a blizzard, and I haven't been able to use the Zoom Groom on him like I need to, so the house is covered in yellow hair.
Jackie, Champ, and Buddy
It's an opinion. It's also the very last sentence in that paragraph.Originally Posted by labby
According to the (3) specialists who diagnosed my cat that have been working in internal veterinary medicine for many years, high fat diets DO NOT cause pancreatitis. They set it off, which while sometimes that's attributed to "causing" it, that is in fact an incorrect assumption. So yes, that IS what "the vets" say.
Edited to add, We're talking about formulated kibble or raw diets I presume...? If your dog is fed a steady diet of fried foods and the like, I think pancreatitis would be on a looonnnnggg list of problems they'd more than likely end up with.
First of all, pancreatitis simply means "inflammation of the pancreas" and yes, can have a number of different causes. Heck, even surgery where the pancreas is manipulated too roughly during tissue handling can cause pancreatitis.Originally Posted by Baloo317
Cats and dogs are a completely different "machine" when it comes to pancreatitis. For one, the specialists actually recommend feeding cats who have pancreatitis (a new concept the past few years), whereas dogs and humans need to be fasted to "rest" the pancreas. Also, it can be much more difficult to diagnose in cats (sometimes you can detect it with ultrasound, sometimes it takes many more diagnostics) and often goes along with a few different diseases...inflammatory bowel syndrome and hepatitis for example (all 3 together are usually called "triaditis").
And YES, high fat "meals" (when a dog isn't used to it) CAN actually cause pancreatitis- several studies have shown this to be true.
Take it from someone who worked for a year in a high-volume emergency vet hospital, there is a HUGE increase of pancreatitis cases that come in around the holidays after a dog gets into the trash and ingests the turkey carcass with fatty, buttery skin and whatnot. If it happened in a dog that was *used* to getting these types of meals, its pancreas could probably handle it. However, in the majority of dogs who *aren't* used to getting this type of food, the pancreas works "overtime," becomes inflammed, leaks digestive enzymes into the areas around it (almost like "auto-digestion"), and causes *severe* pancreatitis in most cases. There are many other causes, such as bacterial infections, some viruses, cancer, blocked pancreatic ducts, etc. etc. etc. but a VERY fatty meal can *cause* pancreatitis. Having said this, in a healthy dog with a healthy pancreas, I wouldn't expect a higher-fat content diet (that the dog is used to) to cause pancreatitis.
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Sorry.... I was referring more to the chronic types of pancreatitis (which are more common in cats). I understand dogs are generally more acute.
That was kind of my point though, an isolated meal of extremely fatty foods (like the buttery turkey example) can set off a bout of pancreatitis, but a formulated species appropriate diet that is a little higher in fat will not.