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    YellowLabProject is offline Senior Member
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    I just finished reading the thread listed here which deals w/ giving dogs supplements of G/C and MSM.
    https://www.justlabradors.com/forum/i...c,65876.0.html
    The more I read here, the more I am worrying about what can go wrong in a dog's life. I have never had problems, and now it sounds like the norm.
    Do most Labs get supplements from their owners resulting from vet diagnosis or as preventive measures. I realize the post I am referencing the owner is dealing w/ Hip Dysplasia so that question is not targeted towards her, but more general.

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    I don't know if this answers your question or not ... but Shelby came home from the breeder started on G/C and fish oil too (I can't remember if she was on that right away or if her breeder suggested it after Shelby started getting dandruff that first winter). Anyway, the only things I've added to the mix is cranberry capsules (I'm pretty sure the breeder recommended those too) ... but that was after Shelby had a UTI as a puppy. She still takes them as a preventative & she's not had a recurrence.

    I'm happy with my vet but I don't find that they really suggest these type of things ... but when I've told them what she takes, they say "oh that's great!". :P
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    Mine are used mostly as a preventative.

    Baloo gets salmon oil (to help with dry skin/coat) and also a glucosamine/chondroitin/msm mixture, as we will be starting agility in January and it was highly recommended to me to start him on something to help support his joints.

    He also gets vitamin E to remove the free radicals introduced by the fish oil and to also aid with skin/coat. This was the one I worried the most over as it is fat soluble. BUT, there has never been a documented case of vitamin E toxicity in dogs or cats, and a lot of northern sled-dogs are pumped full of it as some feel it improves performance in that realm. Many sources also suggested that dogs should get much more than the dose I am giving them, so I feel that what I give is safe, and haven't had any problem thus far.

    He also gets a probiotic supplement (will be trying out a probiotic/digestive enzyme combo soon to hopefully replace the probiotic he gets now) this is due to him having some sensitive bowel issues. The probiotic has helped him quite a bit in this area. (as an aside, I started to take it as well and it's helped me, too! )

    I was always against supplementing, thinking that if you had your dog on the right food than you shouldn't need to supplement at all. My experiences with Baloo have taught me that supplements DO have a place in the diet of some dogs, as sometimes those dogs just need a little "help".

    Basically all of what I give is pretty much "can't hurt, might help" type of stuff.
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    I've commented quite a bit on the other post, but will reiterate that there are very safe and beneficial supplements out there, and there are the ones to use w/ caution. Always do your research and consult a holistic vet cert'd in nutrition if at all possible. It may cost you $100 for an initial consult (actually mine included a chiropractic adjustment so maybe not that expensive).

    I've had Labs for 15 yrs now, and currently have 4 generations here. I sent my oldest to the bridge last year at 13.5, pretty much due to LP and associated neurological diminishment (the vagus nerve controlling everything from the laryngeal flap down to bowel movements). What I know now in comparison to when she was 11 and starting to have symptoms of LP may have prolonged the quality of life for her. My holistic vet set me up w/ a good antioxidant and neurological supplement program for her oldest daughter, Gala, now 12.5, despite only seeing her granddaughters (but he knew about Winnie and her LP as we were going thru that when he was treating Fuji and is fully aware of my training, exercise, feeding and supplement programs). Gala also has a touch of LP, but otherwise is healthy and vibrant as can be.

    Obviously something has to give late in a dog's life, but the way I look at it, I'm going to do all I can to preserve the quality of life in my dogs. If it means a few supplements, great... they really don't add that much to the annual cost of things, esp since my vet bills have been quite low here over the years. I also follow up w/ bloodwork as I feel is needed to make sure all is well once they hit their senior years. My feeling is many vets are inadequately schooled in nutrition (and reproduction issues!), and like humans, sometimes we need to seek out a specialist from time to time to consult with. -Anne

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    My vet is not an holistic vet, however, she does approve of and recommend various holistic things if it works for your dog. Just recently, she had me try a melatonin regiment with Dutch as he had darkened areas of the skin under the armpits and in the private areas where he had very little hair growth. After 30 days of 6 mg a day, the darkened areas were gone and he has a little fuzz growing there now. He is also on Nupro, which has helped tremendously with the coat (I believe basically due to the norwegian kelp). My vet is very PRO on Nupro.

    The others get G/C supplements (Kirkland brand) and all get canned fish a few times a week. I do give fish oil in the winter months only due to dryness and run the humidifier at night.

    I should only try and take as good care of myself as I try to for my dogs! :-\

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    Hi Doug!

    Henry has both a conventional vet and a holistic vet. His supplements were recommended by one or the other (or both!).

    He was started on the Cosequin DS in 2005 mostly as a preventative measure by our conventional vet (didn't have Holistic Vet at the time) since he did have a fairly minor injury to his ACL (right leg) when he broke his toe on that leg. We monitor it every year and I keep his weight down so as not to exacerbate it.

    He also gets a probiotic and a digestive enzyme (recommended by both Conventional Vet and Holistic Vet) to support his digestive system.

    Hope this helps!
    Gorsebrook Jackson Triggs, CD, RN, WC, CGN<br />Kelrobin A Twist of Fate<br /><br />

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    Here is a follow-up thought/question.
    Here are the supplements listed in the posts that are administered to their dogs;

    Glucosamine/Chondroitin

    Cosequin

    Probiotic

    MSM

    Fish Oil

    If there are others I have missed, please include them in your response.
    It appears that these supplements fall into two categories, treatment or preventative. I am going to compile a list and then post back on the board for a concise list and convenient location for other newbies to reference as well as for my own edification.
    If you are interested in assisting me in compiling this list please provide me w/ the reason you are administering the supplements.

    1. Supplement of Supplement Name

    2. Reason for administering the supplement

    3. Treatment or Preventative

    4. Amount/dosage

    5. Diet - What you feed your Lab; Dry, Raw, Brand of Food, Amount

    6. Size and Weight

    7. Lab's Age, Age you began administering the supplement/How long you have been administering the supplement

    8. The results of the supplement- positive/negative/no change.



    Thank you,

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    Quote Originally Posted by YellowLabProject

    I am going to compile a list and then post back on the board for a concise list and convenient location for other newbies to reference as well as for my own edification.
    Yeah! ;D This would be great. I've been curious about this ever since I started browsing through this forum! It's become an excellent source of information for me and my boy. I am VERY interested in learning more about these supplements! So....thanks!

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    Happy new year, Doug!

    Cosequin is glucosamine/chondroitin... Cosequin is just the brand name. You can get many different brands of glucosamine/chondroitin (some with MSM).

    Okay, here's my list:
    1. Cosequin DS: to support joint health due to minor ACL injury in 2005. Preventative. 1 capsule, twice a day. (Each capsule = 500mg glucosamine & 400mg chondroitin). Henry was 2 when he started and has been on it for 2.5 yrs. I had his hips and knees xrayed in Nov when he was under having his teeth cleaned, and both Conventional Vet and Ortho Vet had a look at them, as well as the initial films done in 2005 and both agreed that there have been no changes, no progression and no further damage to his ACL! Hoorah! Now, whether that is due to the Cosequin alone or to keeping his weight down, or a combo of both, I'm not sure.

    2. SISU Dophilus Plus: probiotic to support digestive system. Treatment? ??? 1 capsule, twice a day. (Each capsule = 4 billion cells of Lactobacillus acidophilus, casei, rhamnosus, Enterococcus faecium). Henry started this about 1.5 years ago when he was eating raw.

    3. RxZyme: digestive enzymes to support digestive system. Treatment? ??? 1 scoop per cup of food. Henry just started this in early December, and it, plus his diet change made world of difference!

    A little history... Henry has been plagued with digestive issues and yeasty ears pretty much since he was a pup. Didn't matter what kind of kibble he was fed, the issues continued. When I switched him to raw, everything cleared up initially, and then his poops got bad again. We even did homecooked for a while but to no avail. Finally, after consulting with both Conventional Vet and Holistic Vet, it was determined that Henry likely has some sort of food intolerance (not allergy) and perhaps IBD.

    That's why he's been on probiotics and digestive enzymes. I probably wouldn't use these in a dog who was otherwise not having problems, not that I think that they would be harmful, but if the dog's own digestive system can handle things, why mess around?

    In any case, Henry now eats Hill's Prescription Diet d/d (duck and potato) and has been doing fabulous on it. Nice formed, firmish poops for the first time in his life and very little gas. Hoorah!!

    Hope this helps in your research, Doug!

    Oops, forgot to add... Henry is currently 4 years and 8 months, and weighs 69 lbs (at last check, last week).

    Gorsebrook Jackson Triggs, CD, RN, WC, CGN<br />Kelrobin A Twist of Fate<br /><br />

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    Here's my list for Baloo Doug, hope it helps!

    1. Glucosamine/chondroitin/MSM mixture intended for dogs/cats. Used as a preventative due to him starting agility (very hard on the joints) soon. It's a liquid and he gets 2 teaspoons once a day with his breakfast. Per teaspoon it has 500 mg of D-Glucosamine sulphate, 150 mg Chondroitin sulphate, 20 mg of MSM, 10 mg of Devil's Claw ( ???) 10 mg of Boswellia serrata and 10 mg of ledebouriella divaricata. I started him on this one month ago.

    2. Nzyme probiotic/digestive enzyme combination. This is used a treatment (I guess) because Baloo has a very sensitive digestive system. I'm also trying to encourage a bit of weight gain, which is where the digestive enzymes come in. I started him on just a probiotic about three months ago, and have just recently switched to the probiotic/digestive enzyme combo. He get's 1/8 of a teaspoon once per day with breakfast.

    3. Wild sockeye salmon oil. This is used to encourage healthy skin and coat (fish oil also has properties which help with joint health and heart health). He gets one capsule twice daily with his meals, each capsule contains approx. 90 mg DHA and 90 mg EPA (both Omega 3's.) I guess you could say we use it as treatment. He has been on the fish oil for approximately two months.

    4. Vitamin E. This is used as treatment as well in order to remove the free radicals introduced by the fish oil and to help with skin and coat too. He gets 1 capsule with his evening meal, capsule contains 400 IU. See my previous post re: research into this particular supplement.

    That's it. He eats Fromm's chicken formula, 3 cups per day. Hopefully with the help of the enzymes I'll be able to up that a bit. He is 9 and a half months old, 56 pounds (just weighed him this morning. )

    Hope that helps!
    Kate
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    Peanut - 7 year old minpin
    Monster - 3-ish year old frenchie/jack, rescue
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