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    DefaultLaura...question about the White List.

    I see my breeder's line is on the white list. Butterfly (aka Fly) is okay. But what does PIV mean.


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    Ironweed Boom Boom Butterfly Fly AKC SN86004105 F PIV
    Ironweed Ramblin Ruby Redhot Ruby AKC SR19546102 F PIV
    Ironweed Tax Day Auditor Audit AKC SR16713107 M PIV
    Ironweeds Hi-bird Shooter Shooter AKC SR09358001 M PIV
    The Lord's Summer Ironweed Summer AKC SR16713103 F NOPI

    What does PIV mean?



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    DefaultRe: Laura...question about the White List.

    I answered in the other post too. Sorry.

    Not heard of PIV but would think it would be Permanent Identification Verified? I know OFA uses PI. It means the dog has either a tattoo or microchip.



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    DefaultRe: Laura...question about the White List.

    1- if the animal has been permanently identified in the form of tattoo or microchip and sampling certified by an independent veterinarian, a suffix of PIV is applied;

    2- if the animal has been permanently identified in the form of tattoo or microchip but the sample was not certified by a veterinarian, a suffix of PI is applied;

    3- if the animal lacks permanent identification and therefore the sample could not be certified by a veterinarian, a suffix of NOPI is applied.
    Georgie, I think PIV means that the vet scanned for microchips or looked at the tatoo to make sure that the dog examined was really the dog in question. I've heard some stories of people x-raying other dogs to get positive OFA results (which is very unethical). So, PIV provides you with the highest level of confidence that the some other dog was not substituted for the dog reported as clear.

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    DefaultRe: Laura...question about the White List.

    There is a certain person in the Lab world that I would never trust their clearances. They've had rumors about their clearances for years. A very well respected person and judge too.



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    DefaultRe: Laura...question about the White List.

    Quote Originally Posted by labby
    There is a certain person in the Lab world that I would never trust their clearances. They've had rumors about their clearances for years. A very well respected person and judge too.
    That is really sorry. I suppose cheats are everywhere though.

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    DefaultRe: Laura...question about the White List.

    Yes, if you want the highest cert available (PIV), you have to go to your vet to do the test. It's too bad we can't trust each other but that's (switching dogs for OFA, etc) been going on for years!!! -Anne

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    DefaultRe: Laura...question about the White List.

    Thanks everyone. Fly is Abby's mother. I guess there are some unscrupulous breeders out there. Thanks to this forum & you folks...I was able to understand what my breeder was talking about.

    I know when my breeder went to Wisconsin to breed Fly she said to breed to the stud she wanted Fly, had to have all her clearences AND be proven in the field/hunt tests.

    It makes me feel good to see my breeder's name on the site.

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    DefaultRe: Laura...question about the White List.

    You definitely have a good breeder, georgie.

    Most stud owners want clearances. I just sent Matilda's off to the stud owner today. Plus her title stuff.



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    DefaultRe: Laura...question about the White List.

    Thanks Laura. I like her & she spends a tremendous amount of time training her labs. They all live in her house too & she carts them all to Georgia for training in the winter.

    But the reason I was curious. It isn't only show people that can do crazy things. The field lines can be very competative too & there have been some less then reputable people (I won't call them breeders) that try to make money on their labs by saying some FC/AFC dog was the sire or is in the line or they are out of that line.

    I know of a man who bought a XXXXXXXX Kennel lab & then did not really do anything with him. No titles, I don't think he did any clearences > and then found some lady who had a female & they used the dog as stud & sold them as XXXXXXXX kennel pups. >

    We saw the pup as a young puppy & then when the dog was a little older my husband saw him again & told me the lab did not have a good temperment.

    So you just have to watch for everything these days.

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    DefaultRe: Laura...question about the White List.

    Okay...now I have come across something I haven't heard before...what's the white list?
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