Fritzy got spayed yesterday and we had her hips x-rayed (due to my worry a few months ago when i felt "popping in her hips"). AT that time, two vets have said nothing to worry about BUT, let's do the x-rays an our breeder has assured me that no one in her line had hip problems. Ok, however, her x-ray came back yesterday as "not perfect, not bad either". She is only 6 months old and i saw the x-ray. Sure, i'm not a specialist but, after lots of reading and looking at the x-rays of good and bad and so so hips, Fritzy hip are not all the way in ther socket. It's not a perfect fit! Therefore, i am more than upset and worried. The vet said it's about Grade 1/2. She is only 6 months old, what is going to happen when she is 3 years old! Grade 5? It can only get worse, not better. I am upset with the breeder b/c i don't understand and wonder if it's just all lies! I of course have contacted her yesterday and a few months ago and yesterday she said that both Fritzy's parents had their clearences with the College of Vets of ONtario and doctors such and such wrote "in my opion, this dog does not have any evidence of hip displesia". I don't know what to think! Our vet and i think that this is genetic (maybe back in the line) since Fritzy has been on adult dog food from day one and she never climbed stairs and we also put her in the car and take her out.
Also, the vet suggested to put her on Glucosomine (spell?) for the joints and i plan to but, i just worry. I want her to have a normal life not a "crippled life". The breeder just said taht even paparents with no hip problems can have pups who do...what???
Any advise? Things to read?
My poor baby...i was sure that we would have perfectly healthy baby...
Although testing certainly improves your odds of getting a healthy puppy, there are never any 100% guarantees of perfection.
Is your dog showing any signs of lameness or soreness?
Fritzy is not showing any signs of anything! She is as active as another lab puppy! She jumps like crazy when she sees and plays with another lab She walks and sits and gets up perfectly fine. She kicks with her back legs as if they are "perfect" again during play. She sleeps on her back, we can hardly stop her from jumping on furniture...nothing i can say that is worring me...just a funny "popping sound" in her hips when you place your hands on top of her hips...which the vet earlier said is a normal "loosness"
Any advice on supplements, othe than GLuc?
I would talk with my vet.
I am no expert, but my understanding that I have picked up from people that know far more than me, is that the Large Breed Puppy formulas are intentionally lower in calcium and phosphorous for skeletal development reasons. I suppose that I would consider putting him on that food until his growth plates close.
Check Labbies, www.kelrobin.com website. She has all kinds of information there.
Hershey Kisses, In charge of getting Ed out to the dog park so that he gets some exercise.
I would not stress it to much right now. Limit some of the jumping but allow the dog to be a dog. Feed a quality LB puppy food and supplement with gluc/cond. I use gluc/cond AND use/recommend dogzymes CCM plus.
There are lots of dogs on here with HD some more severe than others and they live pretty normal lives with conservitive treatment. I would take the x-rays to an Ortho vet they are MUCH more knowledgable about these things than a regular vet and will be able to give you a clearer picture of what the future might hold. I know it's hard but try to not get to upset yet it's early and it sounds like if there is HD you've caught it early and it's not very severe.
PM Dani her Rider has HD.
First things first, most regular vets are not very good at taking images of xrays, so don't jump the gun too fast here. If the dog is not lined up in the slightest way, then the whole image could be off. False positive HD
2) What is grade 1/2 mean? Never hear of it? Makes me wonder about your vet
3) Bring the dog NOW to a orthopedic vet and let them look at your films and if needed have them take new ones. If the dog does have severe HD there may still options while the dog is still very young. Waiting 3 years is not advised.
4) Also, go to a vet that does Pennhip and have them do the x'rays along with prelim OFA. Could be the same vet as I said in number 3 above, but could also be a different one as not all vets do pennhip. It would run you no more than 500, but you should get very good results and be sure of the results as well, using this method.
Just so you know, from experience my vet took xrays when my dog got neutered at 9 months and told me one hip looked great, but the other was a little bad. Upon looking at the xrays, I would agree. I sent then xrays to a othro vet I know and he said the films were garbage, not lined up well, and could not tell me if they were good or bad. He gave them to his radiologist and he agreed. I went and got prelim OFA and Pennhip done. His prelim OFA came back OFA GOOD and his Pennhip came back 0.28 in both hips - BOTH WERE PERFECT IN PENNHIP TERMS. Needless to say, if I stuck with my original vets determination, I would still be worried right now. Instead he is now 17 months old and a rockstar with nothing to worry about.
thank you gerst001! This was a good answer, i think that would be a good idea for me...just so i don't worry myself to death.
Sorry, i meant Grade 1, Grade 2...not half.
For some reason people "assume" that because the parents have good hips that their puppy will too. There are no guarantees in life. You are dealing with a living being, not a car. How many healthy people do you know that have children with some miscellaneous ailment (near sighted when no one else is, has some mental or physical disability when no one else does, etc). How many of those people actually did genetic testing before becoming pregnant?
So many things affect whether or not a dog develops HD. Environmental issues play a role as much as genetics. Letting developing dogs jump on and off furniture or in/out of cars, slip around on tile floors, over exercise, etc. can cause joint problems too. Even one misstep or collision with another dog can cause issues. The breeder has no control over this. As others have mentioned, the food you feed both quality and quantity also plays a role.
By purchasing a puppy from a reputable breeder who tests her dogs and knows the lines for generations, you definitely stack the deck in your favor but again...it is not a guarantee. I'd caution you on blaming the breeder of disceptive practices unless she really did not test her dogs or did not get the passing ratings. She is probably your best resource right now so you definitely don't want to alienate her.
I agree with what Lydia has said.
Also, I would get a 2nd opinion from an ortho vet. When Henry was 2, he broke his toe, and the emerg vet xrayed his foot and knee and then freaked me out by saying there was something wrong with his knee/stifle and that I shouldn't allow him to run or jump again. I had the films sent to Guelph to be read by a vet radiologist, and he disagreed. So, it's a good thing to have an expert have a look before you freak out.