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    DefaultFeeding Ice Cubes/Ice Water-Please Read!

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    Hello Everyone,
    I am writing this in hopes that some may learn from what I just went
    through. We went to the Steel Valley Cluster this past weekend. We
    were having a fair weekend till Saturday. On Saturday was the EVRC
    specialty, I had my Baran boy with me as this was his first show as
    a veteran. Baran was so happy to be in the ring again after about a
    year of not showing. He was all geared up and showed like a trooper.
    He was at the top of his game, and everyone was commenting on how
    good he looked at 71/2 years old. Baran was Best Veteran Male and
    went on to the BOB ring, in the BOB ring Baran again showed great he
    showed so good I figured he would make the cut and have a chance at
    no less then one of the two AOM's.

    Well anyway it did not work out that way. After showing we went back
    to our site/set up and got the dogs in their crates to cool off.
    After being back about 30min. I noticed Baran was low on water. I
    took a hand full of ice from my cooler and put it in his bucket with
    more water. (Note: I use a small Playmate cooler at ringside with
    ice water in it also. Have for over 15 years now) I use small 2qt.
    buckets in my crates. He had maybe ˝ a bucket when I placed him in
    his crate after coming back from the ring. We all then started to
    get all the dogs Ex'ed and food ready for them.

    I have a 18 foot trailer with AC and set up as a rolling kennel it
    fits 7 42" crates, and MY express Van holds 1 48", 1 42", and 3 36",
    crates all the crates in the van have 24 " box fans over them. I had
    Baran in his 48' crate in the van cause that is the place he loves
    to be. He loves to be able to see everyone and every thing. After
    checking the dogs and thinking they were cooled off enough we feed
    everyone. As we were walking around picking out the feed dishes from
    the crates, one of my friends stated that Baran seamed like he was
    choking. I went over and check on him and he was dry heaving and was
    real drolly. I got him out of the crate to check him over I noticed
    he had not eaten, he was in some what distress. I checked him over
    from head to toe and did not notice anything. I walked him around
    for about a min. when I noticed that he was starting to Bloat. I did
    everything I was taught to do in this case. I was not able to get
    him to burp, and we gave him Phasezime.

    We jumped on the golf cart to take him down to the Show vet to find
    out that he did not have a bloat kit, He referred us to the clinic
    that was to be on call, but we found out that the clinic was closed.
    After finding another clinic that was open we rushed Baran to that
    one. We call ahead and let them know that we were on our way. They
    were set up and waiting on us and got Baran stable very fast. After
    Baran was stable and out of distress we transported Baran to AVREC
    were he went into surgery to make sure no damage was done to any of
    his vital organs. I am very happy to say that Baran is doing great,
    there was not damage to any vital organs, and he still loves his
    food.

    In surgery the doctor found that Baran's stomach was in its normal
    anatomic position. The Doctor and I went over the events of what
    happened up to the point of Baran's Bloating. When I told him about
    the ice water he asked why I gave him ice water, and have I always
    did this. I told him my history behind this practice and his reply
    was "I have been very lucky for the past 15 years." The ice water I
    gave Baran cause violent Muscle spasm in his stomach which caused
    the bloating. Even though I figured his temp was down enough to feed
    and give him this ice water his internal temp was still high. Dr.
    Vogf stated that giving dog's ice to chew or ice water is a big NO,
    NO; there should be not reason for them to have ice/ice water.
    Normal water (room Temp.), or cooling with cold towels on the inter
    thigh. This is the best way to help cool a dog. How Dr. Vogf
    explained it to me was like this: If you as a person fall into a
    frozen lake what happens to our muscles? Think about that, and then
    compare that to your dog's stomach.

    I felt the need to share this with everyone, in the hopes that some
    may learn from what I went through, I do not wish this on anyone.
    Baran is home now doing fine. He dose not like the fact that he has
    to be walked on lead in the yard to keep him from running. He hates
    not being able to go out and rough house it with the others, but is
    doing great. So please if you do use ice and ice water, beware as
    what could happen.

    Sorry so long and excuse the mispellings…

    Take Care and God Bless,
    Lester

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    DefaultRe: Feeding Ice Cubes/Ice Water-Please Read!

    Wow! So glad that the problem was noticed and the rapid response that you took. Glad that you friend is doing well.

    Do we extrapolate this to imply that frozen treats are not good for our dogs? Is it only a concern when the dog may be overheated?
    Hershey Kisses, In charge of getting Ed out to the dog park so that he gets some exercise.

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    DefaultRe: Feeding Ice Cubes/Ice Water-Please Read!

    I am just cross posting this info. I do not know the person or the dog but thanks for the good thoughts.

    Raw frozen food was discussed on another board of raw feeders. Normally when feeding a dog they are not panting and overheated so there should be no problem when feeding frozen turkey necks for instance.

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    DefaultRe: Feeding Ice Cubes/Ice Water-Please Read!

    Patty,

    Don't you think that it's more likely that the cause of the bloat was due to one or more of the more commonly suspected causes:

    - feeding a large quantity of dry kibble before event
    - drinking large amounts of water (icy or otherwise) too quickly
    - dog may have had a history of gastric upsets making him more prone to bloat
    - feeding a kibble that expands too greatly after getting wet
    - family history of bloat
    - stress of the event combined with any of the above

    Do you actually know the person reporting this event? Or are you passing the info along from some other web site where it was posted?

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    DefaultRe: Feeding Ice Cubes/Ice Water-Please Read!

    Quote Originally Posted by jlab
    Do you actually know the person reporting this event?
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowco Labradors
    I am just cross posting this info. I do not know the person or the dog
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    DefaultRe: Feeding Ice Cubes/Ice Water-Please Read!

    Sorry I should have clarified in my last post. I don't know the person but my sister does. She is a Rotty person as well.

    My sister emailed it to me and I felt it was an important issue for people to be cautious about so I posted it.

    I have no idea of the other possible causes mentioned in this particular dogs case.

    feeding a large quantity of dry kibble before event
    - drinking large amounts of water (icy or otherwise) too quickly
    - dog may have had a history of gastric upsets making him more prone to bloat
    - feeding a kibble that expands too greatly after getting wet
    - family history of bloat
    - stress of the event combined with any of the above

    But the author's vet attributed it to ice cubes and water and I would think the vet would have discussed the dogs history all of the above with the owner/breeder before diagnosing a cause.

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    DefaultRe: Feeding Ice Cubes/Ice Water-Please Read!

    There is a reason horse people NEVER give ice cold water to their horses.



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    DefaultRe: Feeding Ice Cubes/Ice Water-Please Read!

    Quote Originally Posted by labby
    There is a reason horse people NEVER give ice cold water to their horses.
    You got it Laura. And why the water is removed from the stall until the horse is completely cooled down (after offering a small drink of course)

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    DefaultRe: Feeding Ice Cubes/Ice Water-Please Read!

    Wow! My dogs loooove ice cubes. I give it to them as a treat all the time.

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    DefaultRe: Feeding Ice Cubes/Ice Water-Please Read!

    Quote Originally Posted by CindersMyGirl
    Wow! My dogs loooove ice cubes. I give it to them as a treat all the time.
    Me too. Tucker loves ice cubes.

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