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    Suegene is offline Senior Member
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    DefaultThe rollercoaster

    Ok, its official - I am getting back on. Cooper's biggest "issue" is anal gland problems. Maybe I am crazy on this - I have had one vet say that food has nothing to do iwth it, and another say food had everything to do with it. I had had Cooper on a fish based food for almost a year - we had been on premium edge with a pretty good degree of success, but after the company problems, switched to PPP's version. He had terrible breath and bile on it.

    Vet suggested we try the PPP Selects Turkey. We are almost through our second small bag. He is miserable. He drags butt all the time. After the first bag, took him in to have his glands expressed. Not two days later, he was at it again. It can't be good for him to have to go in every few weeks for this!

    I am not sure what to try next. This clearly isnt working. Chicken iand wheat are a terrible trigger (which might explain the turkey), and it would appear that rawhides and beef can exacerbate it too. do any of you experts have any great suggestions on what to try next??

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    DefaultRe: The rollercoaster

    Can you get Eagle? Maybe their Holistic Lamb.

    http://www.eaglepack.com/Pages/HS_Dog.html



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    Well, that's interesting to me because one of my girls had the same problem with the PP Turkey Selects food. Previously she had had occasional problems with her anal glands, probably every couple of months. While she was on the PP Turkey food I literally was having her anal glands expressed weekly and she was still dragging her butt and licking and itching terribly. Needless to say, it drove me almost as crazy as it drove her.

    Currently I am seeing a holistic vet and at her suggestion I switched my girls to Nature's Variety Salmon and Rice food (although after this bag I am switching again to Timberwolf Ocean Blue). My girls are getting kibble in the morning and raw in the evening. I am feeding raw fish, chicken and chicken livers, and rabbit, with a little bit of veggies to go with it. I can not tell you the last time I had to get Tess' anal glands expressed. I was actually thinking about it this morning, and as near as I can figure she last had them done in April. This is a record for her.

    I have to believe that she was reacting to the food, as that is the only change I have made. In Tess' case, I suspect it is turkey that bothers her, as we had bimonthly problems with feeding Innova (which is chicken and turkey based), but terrible problems when I switched to the PP Turkey food.

    Good luck. I hope you figure it out. I really do think it is food related, so switching foods would be my first suggestion.

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    DefaultRe: The rollercoaster

    PS - I agree with Laura, a lamb based food sounds like a good idea to me - and the Eagle Pack is a good one.

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    DefaultRe: The rollercoaster

    The PSP I went to didn't have Eagle - only the Natural Balance - so I went ahead and picked up Natural Balance sweet potato and fish. If THAT doesnt work, I can drive another 15 minutes for Eagle. Another store that is close to my work carries Eagle, but not all the flavors.

    I still contend its food. Its too bad, his coat is very nice on this turkey food but the constant anal gland irritation isnt worth it.

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    Awww, poor Cooper.

    Suzie, I have abook called The Veterinarian's Guide to Holistic Dog Remedies and would be happy to send it to you. They have all sorts of information on diet and how that can express in the dog. I agree with you that it's food.

    I would look into a common denominator between the foods with chicken and wheat and the rawhides and beef. Beef is the #1 allergen in dogs because many of our vaccines for dogs are beef-based. I would check and see if any of those chicken and wheat foods have a beef derivative in them. You might have to do a lot of research (you know how McDonald's used oil with beef in it to fry their french fries and pissed off all the vegetarians? I'm thinking it could be something like that.) You might try restricting him from all beef and asking your Vet if you can do titers rather than vaccinate him next year and see how he does with it.

    PM me if you want the book! It's very helpful and I don't need it anytime soon.

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    DefaultRe: The rollercoaster

    Thanks, Gina - I sent you a PM.

    Unfortunately, Cooper is such a snarfing scavenger. I have cut out all rawhides, wheat and chicken, and I really need to cut out the soup bones.....I am sure that they don't help.

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    DefaultRe: The rollercoaster

    Since you live in Ohio, you might ask your vet to refer you to Ohio State's CollVetMed:

    http://www.vet.ohio-state.edu/198.htm

    I use K-State's CVM Tchng Hospl for all my Puff's needs and am usually VERY happy with the quality of service (as well as the costs).* KSU's CVM-TH accepts self-referrals although I think OSU requires a vet referral. And OSU's CVM will have nutritional allergy specialists who will be able to identify things far quicker than you can by trial and error.* Maybe it's not food but something else -- maybe there's a strain of anal gland mites?* -- or some contact allergy?

    Several people on previous JL forums have used OSU's CVM and were well pleased with the quality of service their Lab received.
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    Bess [BF, AKC bench line (from competing show breeder) 55 lbs., 1967-1981] "Poor Bess, the Wonder Dog":
    http://forum.justlabradors.com/showt...?p=748#post748

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    DefaultRe: The rollercoaster

    Eeek - anal gland mites! Seriously, that is a good idea - might be worth a visit for the poor laddy.

    (although they might not give me an appt - #1 son is attending University of Michigan hehehehehe)

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