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    Defaulthigh fat high protein diet needed

    My choco lab is the one with the history of many MCtumours.

    We seem to have seen a link between either her changes in diet or allergic load in causing these darn things.

    In talking with the breeder who feeds pro plan chicken plus raw hamburger to her dogs which my lab is one of that we need to keep her on a high fat, high protein diet to see if this helps. The breeder has not had any problems at all with the other pups and she thinks that it is her diet is causing her problems at being too low in fat and protein. Whenever we have had to change her diet to a lower fat/protein food she ends up with one or also if it is allergy season as well.

    I have been feeding her Eukanuba Maintenance

    Chicken, Chicken By-Product Meal, Corn Meal, Ground Whole Grain Sorghum, Ground Whole Grain Barley, Fish Meal (source of fish oil), Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of vitamin E, and Citric Acid), Brewers Rice, Natural Chicken Flavor, Dried Beet Pulp (sugar removed), Dried Egg Product, Brewers Dried Yeast, Potassium Chloride, Salt, Vitamins (Vitamin E Supplement, Ascorbic Acid, Beta-Carotene, Vitamin A Acetate, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate (source of vitamin B1), Niacin, Riboflavin Supplement (source of vitamin B2), Inositol, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (source of vitamin B6), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid), Flax Meal, Sodium Hexametaphosphate, Calcium Carbonate, Choline Chloride, Minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Manganese Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Potassium Iodide, Cobalt Carbonate), DL-Methionine, Rosemary Extract

    Caloric Distribution
    Protein 24%...Fat 38%...Carbohydrate 38%

    Guaranteed Analysis

    Nutrient (percent)
    Crude Protein not less than 25.0%
    Crude Fat not less than 16.0%
    Crude Fiber not more than 5.0%
    Moisture not more than 10.0%
    Vitamin E not less than 140 IU/kg
    Omega-6 Fatty Acids not less than 2.30%*
    Omega-3 Fatty Acids not less than 0.30%*

    The pro plan chicken option is

    Guaranteed Analysis:
    Crude Protein (Min) 26.0%
    Crude Fat (Min) 16.0%
    Crude Fiber (Max) 3.0%
    Moisture (Max) 12.0%
    Linoleic Acid (Min) 1.4%
    Calcium (Ca) (Min) 1.0%
    Phosphorus (P) (Min) 0.8%
    Selenium (Se) (Min) 0.30 mg/kg
    Vitamin A (Min) 15,000 IU/kg
    Vitamin E (Min) 460 IU/kg
    Ascorbic Acid* (Min) 70 mg/kg
    Glucosamine* (Min) 400 ppm
    Glutamine* (Min) 1.0%


    Ingredients:
    Chicken, brewers rice, whole grain wheat, poultry by-product meal (natural source of glucosamine), corn gluten meal, whole grain corn, animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols (form of Vitamin E), corn bran, dried egg product, calcium phosphate, salt, potassium chloride, calcium carbonate, Vitamin E supplement, choline chloride, zinc sulfate, ferrous sulfate, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of Vitamin C), manganese sulfate, niacin, Vitamin A supplement, calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate, copper sulfate, riboflavin supplement, Vitamin B-12 supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, garlic oil, folic acid, Vitamin D-3 supplement, calcium iodate, biotin, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), sodium selenite.


    The third option would be the pro plan fish diet as we suspect that she has allergies.
    Guaranteed Analysis:
    Crude Protein (Min) 26.0%
    Crude Fat (Min) 16.0%
    Crude Fiber (Max) 4.0%
    Moisture (Max) 12.0%
    Linoleic Acid (Min) 1.4%
    Calcium (Ca) (Min) 1.0%
    Phosphorus (P) (Min) 0.8%
    Zinc (Zn) (Min) 180 mg/kg
    Selenium (Se) Min) 0.30 mg/kg
    Vitamin A (Min) 15,000 IU/kg
    Vitamin E (Min) 460 IU/kg
    Ascorbic Acid** (Min) 70 mg/kg
    Glucosamine** (Min) 400 ppm
    Glutamine** (Min) 1.0%

    ** Not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO Dog Food Nutrient Profiles



    Calorie Content (calculated):
    Metabolizable Energy (ME): 419 Kcal/cup; 1,700 Kcal/lb.; 3,740 Kcal/kg



    Ingredients:
    Salmon, brewers rice, canola meal, oat meal, fish meal (natural source of glucosamine), animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols (form of Vitamin E), salmon meal (natural source of glucosamine), pearled barley, brewers dried yeast, animal digest, salt, potassium chloride, Vitamin E supplement, choline chloride, zinc sulfate, ferrous sulfate, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of Vitamin C), manganese sulfate, niacin, calcium carbonate, Vitamin A supplement, calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate, copper sulfate, riboflavin supplement, Vitamin B-12 supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, garlic oil, folic acid, Vitamin D-3 supplement, calcium iodate, biotin, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), sodium selenite

    What help I need from you is which of the first two do you think are really more high fat and high protein??? Also, is the pro plan fish diet also a good choice for a high fat and high protein diet for allergies?


    When ever I have given our lab the raw or cooked hamburger she throws it up so I don't think it agrees with her at all.

    Also, any other suggestions would be great.

    Thanks

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    DefaultRe: high fat high protein diet needed

    EVO by Natura looks to fit your needs.

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    DefaultRe: high fat high protein diet needed

    I like the ProPlan fish, it's done well by some of my guys.

    I do know this; a friend of mine has a dog with cancer. *The vet at Auburn told her that cancer feeds on carbs ... so with this thinking, a diet with more protein and lower carbs would be what I would look for.

    Yep, EVO posted by kiddsmom is a good one; also Nature's Variety makes a good one.

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    DefaultRe: high fat high protein diet needed

    Thanks I am looking for a diet for sure with more protein and lowers carbs. That is what I was wondering with the eukanuba vs the pro plan. Which one looks like it has more protein??

    I found this on another site and was happy to hear that this might be exactly my lab's problem :

    KNOWN allergens ARE the carbs in the food. Dogs have no physical need for carbs. They don't need sugar, corn, corn gluten, wheat gluten and on and on. so alot of supermarket if not ALL have these known allergens which are carbs in the food. and often times this allergen has shown to cause mass cell tumors. Thats why research is showing really the best diet is RAW for dogs BUT I'd try a GRAIN FREE food and give it a chance before you go to anything else.


    Thanks again and hope if anyone has any ideas they will let me know.


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    DefaultRe: high fat high protein diet needed

    Definately Innova Evo or Solid Gold Barking at the Moon. Both have very high protein with no grains - mirrors a raw diet.

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    DefaultRe: high fat high protein diet needed

    EVO has NO grains, it's high protein, higher fat....better than the choices you posted.



    Click on a nutrient for more details.


    Moisture 10.0 %
    Protein 42.0 %
    Fat 22.0 %
    Fiber 2.5 %
    Calories 1929 Kcal/lb
    Calories 4243 Kcal/Kg
    Calories 537 KCals/Cup



    Click on an ingredient for more details.

    Turkey
    Chicken
    Turkey Meal
    Chicken Meal
    Potatoes
    Herring Meal
    Chicken Fat
    Natural Flavors
    Egg
    Garlic
    Apples
    Carrots
    Tomatoes
    Cottage Cheese
    Alfalfa Sprouts
    Dried Chicory Root
    Taurine
    Lecithin
    Rosemary Extract
    Vitamins/Minerals
    Viable Naturally Occurring Microorganisms
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    DefaultRe: high fat high protein diet needed

    And a comparison of all but hte proplan fish (of ingredients):

    Innova EVO Dog
    1. Turkey
    2. Chicken
    3. Turkey Meal
    4. Chicken Meal
    5. Potatoes
    6. Herring Meal
    7. Chicken Fat
    8. Natural Flavors
    9. Egg
    10. Garlic
    11. Apples
    12. Carrots
    13. Tomatoes
    14. Cottage Cheese
    15. Alfalfa Sprouts
    16. Dried Chicory Root
    17. Taurine
    18. Lecithin
    19. Rosemary Extract
    20. Vitamins/Minerals
    21. Viable Naturally Occurring Microorganisms

    Eukanuba® Maintenance Adult
    1. Chicken
    2. Chicken Byproduct Meal
    3. Corn Meal
    4. Ground Whole Grain Sorghum
    5. Ground Barley
    6. Fish Meal
    7. Chicken Fat
    8. Brewer's Rice
    9. Natural Chicken Flavor
    10. Beet Pulp
    11. Dried Egg Product
    12. Brewer's Dried Yeast
    13. Salt
    14. Vitamins/Minerals
    15. Flax Meal
    16. Sodium Hexametaphosphate
    17. Calcium Carbonate
    18. Choline Chloride
    19. DL-Methionine
    20. Rosemary Extract

    Pro Plan® Chicken & Rice
    1. Chicken
    2. Brewer's Rice
    3. Whole Grain Wheat
    4. Poultry By-Product Meal
    5. Corn Gluten Meal
    6. Beef Tallow
    7. Whole Corn
    8. Corn Bran
    9. Fish Meal
    10. Natural Flavors
    11. Dried Egg Product
    12. Dicalcium Phosphate
    13. Salt
    14. Vitamins/Minerals
    15. Calcium Carbonate
    16. Choline
    17. Biotin
    18. Folic Acid
    19. Garlic Oil
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    DefaultRe: high fat high protein diet needed

    Eukanuba posts on their site the carb level. You might try calling ProPlan and see if they will tell you the carb level.

    I bet both are close to 35-38%. That being the case, I wouldn't feed them if you are trying to avoid carbs. I would be feeding something like Evo.



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    DefaultRe: high fat high protein diet needed

    I have two of mine on ProPlan performance and it is 31% protein. They need a high protein/fat diet because they are very active (pets first and foremost, but also working gundogs).

    You should know that unless your pet is very active he may gain weight on a high protein/fat diet especially if what you are feeding is a working/performance dog food. To combat this feed small amounts and unsure he gets lots of daily exercise.

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    DefaultRe: high fat high protein diet needed

    Called Pro Plan. The chicken and rice is 41%, the lamb is 48%, the sensitive skin is 36% carbs.

    Eukanuba Maintenance is %38 carb.

    My breeder says to just add meat???

    Which should I do, add meat to on of the above or change??


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