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    Which do you think is better, Purina Hi Pro or Optima Hi Pro? I also want to know if my 2 nd a half month old pup may eat this kind of dog food.

    What do you guys think?

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    HiPro is not the best quality food in the world. I have no idea what the Optima food is like, but I suspect from the name its not any better. I would never give my puppy a high protein food like that at 2˝ months.

    What did the breeder feed? Can you get something like Purina ONE large breed puppy or Iams LB puppy?



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    It does strike me as a bit strange that large breed Purinia ONE puppy food has higher protein (28%) than the Hi-Pro (27%)!

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    Its the ME that is crucial.



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    Labs are among the "larger breeds" that have a lot of joint problems -- about one of every 3 dogs among Labs.

    Joint problems are caused primarily by 3 mutually interacting factors:

    -- stress, injury, such as caused by jumping, leaping especially before adulthood

    -- genetics such as caused by breeders not having their breeding dogs certified for hips & joints AND not checking for that in the pedigree line -- in short, puppy mills, backyard breeders, scam breeders

    -- diet such as caused by feeding a large breed puppy a food that is not specially formulated for large breed puppies; a LBP food controls the amount of calcium delivered

    Once you have your Lab, you CAN fairly much control the activities that could cause stress or injury AND you can absolutely control the diet your Lab gets. Doing both of those lessens the probability that your Lab will develop joint problems.

    Below are a few references on the importance of feeding a Large Breed Puppy food for the first year. (There are NO scientific articles claiming the opposite.) The references are from a post I've made so often that I just recopy it.

    My very strong preference -- for all Lab puppies under a year old -- is to feed a Large Breed (formulation) Puppy Food, such as made by Diamond, Eukanuba, Nutro Natural Choice, ProPlan, or Science Diet, etc., for the reasons given in the articles below:

    http://consumer.vetmedcenter.com/con...p?id=9808&dt=p

    http://www.mediarelations.ksu.edu/WE...pies62403.html

    http://www.petevents.com.au/news_articles/28.shtml

    http://www.diamondpetfood.com/Jul03.html

    http://www.newmanveterinary.com/large.html

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    This (just below) is a technical article (but readable) that summarizes many of the canine nutritional and growth studies:

    http://www.ilovemypet.com/jackart.html

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    See also:

    http://p075.ezboard.com/fjustlabrado...cID=3973.topic

    Within it, it contains this statement and references:

    "The scientific literature is very clear on nutritional changes to "help manage" the potential orthopedic problems in growing large and giant breed dogs. Here are a few citations for you. As you can see from the dates on these citations, it is “old” news to vets but pet owners and breeders are still making dangerous recommendations."

    1. Nap, et al. Growth and skeletal development in Great Dane pups fed different levels of protein intake. J Nutr 1991; 121:S107-S113.

    2. Hedhammer, et al. Over nutrition and skeletal disease: an experimental study in growing Great Dane dogs. Cornell Vet 1974; 64:1-159.

    3. Lavelle. The effect of overfeeding of a balanced complete commercial diet to a group of growing Great Danes. In: Nutrition of the dog and cat. Burger and Rivers (eds). Cambridge Univ Press, 1989:303-316.

    4. Hazewinkel, et al. Influences of chronic calcium excess on the skeletal development of growing Great Danes, J Am Anim Hosp Assoc 1985; 21:377-391.

    5. Goedegebuure, Hazewinkel. Morphological findings in young dogs chronically fed a diet containing excess calcium. Vet Pathol 1986; 23:594-605.

    6. Hazewinkel, et al. Calcium metabolism in Great Dane dogs fed diets with various calcium and phosphorus levels. J Nutr 1991; 121:S99-S106.
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    Bess [BF, AKC bench line (from competing show breeder) 55 lbs., 1967-1981] "Poor Bess, the Wonder Dog":
    http://forum.justlabradors.com/showt...?p=748#post748

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    the people here say that these hi protein dog foods are good for growing puppies so that they'll grow big and strong... i really have no idea.. im just a newbie in taking care of my dog...

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    the people here say that these hi protein dog foods are good for growing puppies so that they'll grow big and strong... i really have no idea.. im just a newbie in taking care of my dog...
    People selling a product say a lot of things to get that product sold.

    My advice:

    1. Stick to a name brand quality LARGE BREED PUPPY food such as made by Diamond, Eukanuba (or Iams),* Hill's Science Diet, Nutro Natural Choice, or ProPlan (or Purina One),

    2. Feed it until your pup is a year old.

    3. Switch to an adult food at a year old.* Large Breed Adult food is NOT necessary -- it's just a marketing gimmick at that6 age.
    Puff [YF, AKC field line (from competing HT/FT breeder) 62 lbs, dob: 8-'01]

    Bess [BF, AKC bench line (from competing show breeder) 55 lbs., 1967-1981] "Poor Bess, the Wonder Dog":
    http://forum.justlabradors.com/showt...?p=748#post748

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    Went to the pet store today, due to Maddies stomach troubles (squirting again), hub decided we should try a new food. Talked to the guy there and he suggested Natures Variety Prarie Beef & Barley. Anyone hear of it? Ive never heard of any of the brands they had there (just whats in walmart & target!). We bought a bag (at a whopping $24 for 15 lbs) - but told hub not to open it....i can always return it.
    THANKS

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    Quote Originally Posted by hunter34ray
    the people here say that these hi protein dog foods are good for growing puppies so that they'll grow big and strong... i really have no idea.. im just a newbie in taking care of my dog...
    What people? The vets? The people at the dog food store? What do they know? Most vets know nothing about nutrition. I would rather trust breeders whose dogs are their "studies" or the actual studies such as Bob posted that SLOW growth is the best kind of growth in Labradors.

    If you can get Purina HiPro, you can prolly get the Purina ONE Large Breed puppy food. Try that one.



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    people such as other owners of Labradors. Slow growth is the best, i see. Thnx guys. Il try to get a hold of the Purina One. thnx again...

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