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    Ive always fed "the boys" Large Breed food. Someone at work who is quite familiar with dogs, or at least tries to claim to be, said for Labs it is unneccessary, LB food is only for BIG dogs like Danes etc. What is your take on this? Can I switch to regular food?

    Second, I have a 6 mo old yellow lab and one of his testicles is not descending. The vet says to neuter him any time. I have always been of the understanding it is best to neuter after a year to make sure all the hormones are taken that need to be while growing. Due to his condition, should I not wait or am I ok to wait until at least a year old to do this?

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    Well, the food all depends on what age they are. Most people feed their pups a Large Breed puppy food, and around 10 - 12 months they will switch them over to a regular adult food. I see that you have one lab that is 6 months, so he can still be on the LB formula, but if you have any that are much older than that, I would switch them over.

    As for the second question, I'll defer that to the more knowledgable people on the board.

    Good luck!

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    Well larry suffers from cryptorchidism which in this case is unilateral as only one testicle remains undescended . Such a condition can be potentially serious as dogs with such a condition have tendencies to develop testicular cancer etc etc. The tendency for undescended testicles is passed on to a dog's offspring and therefore, neutering is the only answer unless u can find a vet who will surgically fix the problem ( however it is considered unethical for them to do so) Anyway if u are a true Lover of the breed then u wont breed this dog.

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    I have no intention of breeding him, I just want to know if it is safe for me to wait another 6 months before I have him neutered. I learned on this site with my last dog that it is better to wait until they are over a year old so that they get the benefit of the hormones before neutering them. My vet said it was not true. Id prefer to wait if I can safely.

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    Large breed food is not really necessary. You really just need to look at the ingrediates and % of protein and fat, etc.

    We never did large breed and we switched to adult at 6 months.

    As for the testicle issue...yes it's safe to wait...I personally wouldn't
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    yes you can wait another 6 months before you neuter him. your vet is incorrect about early neutering.

    http://www.caninesports.com/SpayNeuter.html

    tell him to get in the 21st century and quit recommending dogs be neutered early.



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    I agree with labby. Later neutering is best and it is safe to wait until then since the threat of cancer is only if the testicle is allowed to remain in the body for years and never removed.

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    My Jake has an undescended testicle and we're waiting too - just so you know you're not alone

    Also, you'll find that many vets (unfortunately) don't keep up on what's current for each dog breed - like the studies that have shown it's better for larger breeds like labs to be neutered after a year. If he says it's safe to wait, even if he thinks it's silly, I would stick to my guns (and the studies) and wait.

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    Thank you everyone for the replies AND peace of mind. I thought I was doing the right thing and it sounds like you support my thoughts.

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    Someone at work who is quite familiar with dogs, or at least tries to claim to be, said for Labs it is unneccessary, LB food is only for BIG dogs like Danes etc. **What is your take on this? Can I switch to regular food?
    Most people agree that LB food for adult dogs is mainly a merketing gimmick.

    A few people do not believe in feeding Lab puppies a LB puppy formula. Many, including me, do.

    Labs are among the "larger breeds" that have a lot of joint problems -- about one of every 3 dogs among Labs.

    Joint problems are caused primarily by 3 mutually interacting factors:

    -- stress, injury, such as caused by jumping, leaping especially before adulthood

    -- genetics such as caused by breeders not having their breeding dogs certified for hips & joints AND not checking for that in the pedigree line -- in short, puppy mills, backyard breeders, scam breeders

    -- diet such as caused by feeding a large breed puppy a food that is not specially formulated for large breed puppies; a LBP food controls the amount of calcium delivered

    Once you have your Lab, you cannot control its genetics.* You CAN fairly much control the activities that could cause stress or injury AND you can absolutely control the diet your Lab gets.

    Doing both of those lessens the probability that your Lab will develop joint problems.

    Below are some references on the importance of feeding a Large Breed Puppy food for the first year. (There are NO scientific articles claiming the opposite.)* The references are from a post I've made so often that I just recopy it.

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    My very strong preference -- for all Lab puppies under a year old -- is to feed a Large Breed (formulation) Puppy Food, such as made by Diamond, Eukanuba, Nutro Natural Choice, ProPlan, or Science Diet, etc., for the reasons given in the articles below:

    http://consumer.vetmedcenter.com/con...p?id=9808&dt=p

    http://www.mediarelations.ksu.edu/WE...pies62403.html

    http://www.petevents.com.au/news_articles/28.shtml

    http://www.diamondpetfood.com/Jul03.html

    http://www.newmanveterinary.com/large.html

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    This* (just below) is a technical article (but readable) that summarizes many of the canine nutritional and growth studies:

    http://www.ilovemypet.com/jackart.html

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    See also:

    http://p075.ezboard.com/fjustlabrado...0.showMessage?

    topicID=3973.topic

    Within it, it contains this statement and references:

    "The scientific literature is very clear on nutritional changes to "help manage" the potential orthopedic problems in growing large and giant breed dogs. Here are a few citations for you. As you can see from the dates on these citations, it is* “old” news to vets but pet owners and breeders are still making dangerous recommendations."

    1. Nap, et al. Growth and skeletal development in Great Dane pups fed different levels of protein intake. J Nutr 1991; 121:S107-S113.

    2. Hedhammer, et al. Over nutrition and skeletal disease: an experimental study in growing Great Dane dogs. Cornell Vet 1974; 64:1-159.

    3. Lavelle. The effect of overfeeding of a balanced complete commercial diet to a group of growing Great Danes. In: Nutrition of the dog and cat. Burger and Rivers (eds). Cambridge Univ Press, 1989:303-316.

    4. Hazewinkel, et al. Influences of chronic calcium excess on the skeletal development of growing Great Danes, J Am Anim Hosp Assoc 1985; 21:377-391.

    5. Goedegebuure, Hazewinkel. Morphological findings in young dogs chronically fed a diet containing excess calcium. Vet Pathol 1986; 23:594-605.

    6. Hazewinkel, et al. Calcium metabolism in Great Dane dogs fed diets with various calcium and phosphorus levels. J Nutr 1991; 121:S99-S106.
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