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    ExclamationMy baby has elbow dysplasia need advice!

    Well we got Laylah's scans done today and its not good.
    My 11 month baby has severe ED in right elbow and moderate ED in her left elbow. Right side already has arthritis setting in. Im absolutely devastated and so scared and freaked out. We need to see a specialist obviously but she will definitely need surgery on the right side at least.
    What I need to know from owners with labs with ED...
    1.What impact will this disease have on her quality of life?
    2.If you've had surgery, was it a success?
    3.What can I do to help her in the mean time ie. what food, exercise should I be doing to help her?
    I really just need any first hand advice or experiences, I never thought id be faced with this as we did so much research before buying laylah. her parents had excellent hip and elbow scores and over 30 puppies born to the same parents no history of ED.
    I am so scared that I will loose her to early because of this painful disease...please help me!


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    PM Javas mom, (I think thats her forum name), she has been down this road and can really help you. It is just very important to find a good ortho-surgeon and follow their advice to the letter for the surgery to be a success. Also check with Susan of MLL, Moonlit Labs, she has wonderful advice also. Good luck!
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    Java has ED in both elbows. She was diagnosed when she was 13 months old....at the consultation for her torn knees, actually.

    Java has not had surgery for her elbows (she did have back to back TPLOs to repair her knees though). Java also has OCD & DJD (degenerative joint disease) in both knees.

    As far as Java's elbows.......Java does not show any symptoms of ED. No limping, lameness or soreness in her elbows AT ALL. Our ortho vet believes in treating the DOG not the x-rays, so as long as Java is happy, healthy and comfortable and not showing any pain symptoms in her elbows then we will not do surgery. She may need surgery at some point or she may never need surgery....it's very hard to say.

    Some cases of ED can be managed with diet and supplements. Is Laylah showing symptoms of ED? Is she in pain? Limping, etc?

    First thing that is most important-keep her LEAN. Very lean....to the point of being almost *too* lean. Java weighed 76 lbs when she was diagnosed with ED. She now weighs 63 lbs...and during the summer I let her get down to 60 lbs. Her breeder (and others) have told me she is too skinny, but it is the #1 BEST thing for her with both her elbows and knees being compromised.

    Start Laylah on good supplements-Glucosamine, Chondroitin, MSM, HA, Vit. C, Salmon oil.......MSM & Vit. C are natural anti-inflammatories.
    Java is on:

    Hylasport Canine-Gluc/chond/MSM/HA
    Grizzly Salmon Oil
    Vit C-1000 mg per day
    Vit. E-200 iu every other day
    MSM-6000 mg per day (this is a mega dose recommended by our ortho, standard dose is 1500 mg per day)

    I also give Java an Adequan injection every 3 weeks.

    There are things that you can do to give Laylah a great quality of life. I would suggest you take a good, hard look at her and her habits. Is she in pain now? Is she active now? Does she need surgery now? Look at her, not the x-rays to determine the next step. I wouldn't rush into surgery. I would start supplements, get her weight down and re-evaluate. Also, Java is on all grain free foods & treats-grains *can* cause inflammation in joints. So that may be something to think about also.

    Java's quality of life is not affected in any way by her orthopedic issues-she is 4 years old and just as active, if not more, than most dogs. She hikes for miles (5-6 mile hikes through the woods) she swims, runs, wrestles, etc. So far her life and activity level has not been impacted in any way by her ED, or her knee repairs for that matter.
    I'll post a few pics so you can see what an orthopedically challenged dog CAN do!\

    Hiking in the woods with Moka;



    Running in the water with Moka (Java is the bigger girl in back)



    Her favorite thing to do:



    That is Java jumping up in the air (this was after her ED diagnosis & having both knees surgically repaired)


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    And her not so graceful landing.....lol







    Java is in front here...this was 5 months after her second knee repair





    These pictures will maybe give you a little hope. There is NOTHING that Java can't do. The ED does not slow her down at all.
    It's not a death sentence....it is a manageable condition.

    Good luck.
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    javasmum: thank you so much for your reply. That's what I need to hear about, dogs that are still thriving despite the disease. Laylah is showing NO symtoms of ED at all the only reason we discovered it is because she has a hygroma (unrelated) on her elbow. she runs jumps swims and plays shes very very active and healthy.
    Shes on grainfree kibble which I add raw veggies to. she weighs 22kilos, shes very fit not over weight at all. The surgery worries me coz ive heard it can aggravate the condition plus laylah is absolutely terrified of the vet she gets really distressed, so the thought of having to put her through surgery again really upsets me, I mean if its necessary I will do it in a heart beat. im not sure what type of ED she has the report says 'quite severe elbow incongruity' with slight 'remodelling'


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    Hi just wanted to let you know we are 8 weeks today post arthroscopic surgery for ED in both elbows for my pup Niner who is 8 months old. He had a very slight limp back in Nov/Dec so I took him to an ortho specialist. ED was suspected, but the surgeon wanted to wait a month since he was so young. In a months time the ED had gotten worse and arthritis has already settled in so arthroscopic surgery was recommended. We did it two days later on both elbows. It went well and recovery was not as hard as I thought it would be (I have a 4 year old lab too). Niner had FCP in both elbows and OCD as well in the left. I have the bone spurs in a tube - ouch.

    Anyway, since the surgery Niner has not limped (well I take that back he did once after playing with my neighbors beagle about a week ago - he was however fine the very next day and hasn't limped since). He is now running and playing - going on 45 minute walks - some off leash some on. He's fine - no limping. I've been giving Glycoflex II, but I'm going to try Cosequin DS plus.

    I hope you can see an ortho specialist soon. Good luck and I'm sorry for the diagnosis.

    Nancy

    It's kind of hard to see, but the little dumb butt on the right is Niner who had the arthroscopic surgery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elle.burns View Post
    javasmum: thank you so much for your reply. That's what I need to hear about, dogs that are still thriving despite the disease. Laylah is showing NO symtoms of ED at all the only reason we discovered it is because she has a hygroma (unrelated) on her elbow. she runs jumps swims and plays shes very very active and healthy.
    Shes on grainfree kibble which I add raw veggies to. she weighs 22kilos, shes very fit not over weight at all. The surgery worries me coz ive heard it can aggravate the condition plus laylah is absolutely terrified of the vet she gets really distressed, so the thought of having to put her through surgery again really upsets me, I mean if its necessary I will do it in a heart beat. im not sure what type of ED she has the report says 'quite severe elbow incongruity' with slight 'remodelling'
    Honestly, if Layla is showing no symptoms at all of ED I would not do the surgery at this time.
    Treat the DOG not the X-RAYS.

    Java's ED was discovered when she went to the ortho for her knees...he did a complete ortho workup on her and found the ED. She had never showed any signs or symptoms of it to make us suspect a problem.

    I would start Laylah on some good joint supplements now though.
    But, if it was me...I wouldn't do the surgery now. She may never need surgery.....but if she isn't showing any signs of pain or problems with the elbows now, then why do the surgery? It can always be done later down the road if she does start to have problems with the elbows.

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    Caleb was 10 when he was diagnosed with severe ED. There had never been any reason to X-ray him until then. Even then glucosamine supplementation gave him another year before he needed pain meds. He died of cancer before it ever became a big problem. Jackson has moderate hip dysplasia and at 7 has never had a lame day. (both parents OFA cleared...crap happens!) Supplementation and weight monitoring seems to be key so don't panic. The diagnosis might never be a problem.

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    well im starting to feel a little more positive now.. thanks everyone
    She isn't showing any lameness or pain she does walk a little stiff legged but only slightly and shes done that her whole life, shes kinda lankey and clumsy so its hard to tell if its her ED or just her quirks.
    She definitely doesn't hesitate to run and jump (she jumped onto the bonnet of my 4wd the other day!)im waiting to see the ortho vet because im moving back to Sydney in four weeks so when I get back to sydney I will see a few specialist for consults and see what the popular opinion is.,.surgery or no surgery.
    Im dreading the decision but im hoping it will get easier the more info I can get...

    as far as supplements go do I buy them from health food stores or do I need dog specific ones?


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    javasmum your girl jumping reminds me so much of laylah lol shes absolutely gorgeous <3


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