Hi everyone and merry Christmas, just after a bit of advice as iam not really getting anywhere on Google. I have 3 labs 1black Macy who is seven and ellie and coco who are chocolate also mother and daughter. Ellie is three and coco has just turned one. Ellie became pregnant by my friends Dog who is also a chocolate lab, at the risk of becoming unliked on here this was planned as both dogs are to our knowledge both fit and healthy, we live in a small area and all pretty much no each other and I had quit a few people always saying to me oww you should breed her she's lovely I would have one (and to be fair they did stick to that) she had a healthy pregnancy and had 3babie girls. Now back to the question I wanted to ask, coco from time to time limps for a while now at first this didn't faze me as when ellie was younger she would do it from time to time as she used to play fight with her sister Billie who my mum and dad Own and we all live at the same place as myself and my family live in a cottage up at my perants house, so the dogs have over 2 ackers of land to play on, now as coco has got older she too is doing the rough play fighting with all the other dogs and she too is limping from time to time, now I still regularly see her sisters and this isn't happening to them, people have said to me they think ellie and coco have elbow dysplasia well I''ve been reading on Google and it says it's for life well it only happened with ellie when she was 6- 12months and it NEVER happened again, so if she had it surely she'd still limp? Also I read that she would walk with her feet turned out ( which she doesn't ) I just want to find out if this happened to any one else. I also want to stress that I didn't breed her for profit and yes before anyone tells me off I didn't no as much about elbow and hip dysplasia as I do now or as I should of, and I don't intend to breed again, but just want help with this as it is puzzling me. 2of the 3pups are fine but coco limps from time to time can elbow dysplasia only effect one pup out the litter and can they grow out of it because as I said before ellie limped from time to time but dosnt any more? I do APologize for babbling and if anyone thinks iam a stupid back yard breeder . but been as ellie and rocky are in good health I didn't think about things like this as until all this I wasn't aware of these conditions, neither were our perants who have had labs all their lives too, may be they''ve been lucky with all their dogs as they''ve never had these problems. THANK YOU TO AANYONE WHO CAN HELP ME. THANK YOU THANK YOU XXX p.s. I took ellie to the vet about it and they said it was from playing roughly, I took her again and they x-rayed her and said she was fine, but when I took coco they sent me to a specialist to do the x-rays for elbow dysplasia and they said she has it, but why is ellie fine Tthese days? They say its pasted down generations, they both limped but been told two different answers for them. Also it doesn't bother either of them when it happens nor does it seem to cause pain
Last edited by k8tjones; 12-26-2012 at 03:08 PM.
A dog doesn't grow out of ED. From what it sounds like, I wouldn't be a bit surprised that both dogs have ED.
BEFORE you breed ANY dog, you should have had clearances done on BOTH parents. Why Genetic Testing Is Important in Labradors You cannot see the joints without x-ray vision and I doubt you have x-ray vision. A dog can appear fine on the outside only to have the disorder, plus the other disorders on that page. It doesn't matter if your dog is in good health of not, they can still have any of those disorders that REPUTABLE breeders check and clear their dogs for BEFORE they breed.
I've had dogs with ED. They've never limped a day in their life, but x-rays proved it and they were scrubbed from the breeding program. That's what REPUTABLE breeders do. I won't ream you due to the fact what's done is done, but now you know better. Quite actually, in this day and age of the Internet, there is no excuse not to know before you breed a dog.
♣ Laura ♣
The other puppies could in fact be affected as well - just not limping or showing any symptoms. You should make it clear to those owners that they need to ensure that those dogs are not bred. They should all be neutered.
Sharon, Blaise and Diesel.
I was truthful with the fact iam not a breeder and no I don't have x-ray vision , but when I brought my dogs it wasn't something I new to look out for, and I don't believe I no anyone else who goes to buy a dog with this knowledge unless your a breeder or very into the breed that your buying or you researched the breed as you wernt sure which to buy, but we new we wanted a lab as we always had them in our familys. I believe this is the sort of knowledge you no when your into breeding, just like you don't no everything about a car when you go to buy one but a mechanic does!!! And yes all the girls have been done. I feel there was no need to put things into capitals at me, when I brought ellie, she was brought as our family dog, thanks for the help of the fact you think they both have elbow dysplasia. Oh and also you may notice that I put I took ellie to the vet before!!!!!!!! She had her pups it was when she was about 8months and they went concerned of elbow dysplasia with her they didn't refure her to the specialist they only did x-rays and normal ones at that and that was after I went 3times. It was only with coco they sent her to the specialist. And if they had of sent me to a specialist with ellie I wouldn't of breed her. Again it wasn't done for profit and I didn't no of these conditions,!!!!!!!!!! Despite you thinking I did/should of. Merry Christmas ♥ thank you both again thou x
Ok. You have already admitted your ignorance, and as Laura says what's done is done so no point in brow beating you. Here's hoping you have learned your lesson on this? Here's hoping you get all dogs from this litter fixed at the appropriate age since any litter they have will no doubt have issues. And here's hoping should you ever again decide to breed you do so properly and well informed BEFORE-HAND. In addition to proper health clearances, and someone that actually knows please correct me if I am wrong, but isn't 8mos old too young to breed in the first place?? She hadn't even reached her full growth.
According to my vet, if the elbow dysplasia is mild, they will often limp for a couple months (before a year) and then be sound on the outside, until arthritis sets in at an older age. This could be the case with your older girl. Only an xray sent to a radiologist or group that read and gives orthopedic clearances would be able to tell you this... I'm not familiar with who you send to for clearances in the UK, but here in the states, it's Orthopedic Foundation for Animals. Again the littermates to your affected girl could also be dysplastic, but without xrays, you don't know for sure. Elbow Dysplasia is a polygenic trait, meaning there is more than one gene going into creating an affected dog, and it can be directly passed on from one or both parents, skip generations or not appear again.
We all know that this is water under the bridge as far as your dogs are concerned. I am glad that they are all desexed now and that you or the owners of the puppies you produced won't be adding more orthopedically questionable dogs to the population of Labs in the world. I hope you enjoy your dogs and they remain minimally affected for their lifetimes.
Sharon, Blaise and Diesel.