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    DefaultCanidae ALS for puppy and 7 year old lab?

    For the past 6 years I've been feeding my 7 year old lab Canidae ALS. We started her on this because our trainer highly recommended it. Now that we have a lab puppy I'm wondering if this food is good for both of them? I know when they reformulated the food a few years back the quality went down, but our older dog still seems completely fine on it. Should I think of switching to something else like TOTW or EVO? I am really looking for a food that is going to work for both of them. Since I’ve read that high protein isn’t good for large breed puppies, should I stay with Canidae for now? It appears that the protein levels are “average”. Maybe switch to something better for both after the pup gets older?

    Any thoughts / opinions would be much appreciated.

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    Crude Protein (min.) 24.00%
    Crude Fat (min.) 14.50%
    Crude Fiber (max.) 4.00%
    Moisture (max.) 10.00%
    Linoleic Acid (Omega 6) (min.) 3.70%
    Calcium (min.) 1.20%
    Phosphorus (min.) 0.90%
    Iron (min.) 160.00 mg/kg
    Zinc (min.) 160.00 mg/kg
    Vitamin E (min.) 200.00 IU/kg
    Alpha Linolenic Acid (Omega 3)* (min.) 0.50%
    Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C) (min.) 50.00 mg/kg
    Lactobacillus Acidophilus* (min.) 100 million CFU/lb.
    Cellulase* (a) (min.) 100 CMCU/kg

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    I am weaning my pups to a partial Canindae ALS diet (also Honest Kitchen).

    However, as I delved deeper into the Canindae site I found a discrepancy in the Calcium/phos percentages. I have not yet received a reply to my email to Canindae about it.

    While the package, and the main ALS Canindae page says the calcium/phos is 1.2/.9, if you click on the "Detailed Analysis", it reads 1.8/1.2. The 1.8 calcium is too high in my opinion. Don't why there is such a discrepancy. The 1.2/.9 is MINIMUM %, but from what I have read, the min and max should not be that far apart.

    So, unless I hear a good reason/explanation, I would not recommend Canindae for a puppy.
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    Hmmmmm, ok. So what am I looking for in a puppy food then? Its been a while since I've looked so I'm sure what was once good might not be as good anymore.

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    Calcium should be closer to 1.0 %.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Belles mom View Post
    Calcium should be closer to 1.0 %.
    Ok. I guess I will feed the little one puppy food for a while.

    Thank you for the information.

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    If puppy is coming from a breeder I woudl talk to them about what they are feeding and why. It is generally recommended to keep a new puppy on the same food for a little while anyway, as they adjust to all the changes in their life.
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    I answered this on the other lab forum-- Woodys?
    Yes, Belle's mom... Canidae is FAR TOO HIGH in Ca++ for my lines... more like 2%!!!! It is hardly an "ALS" formula, imo. I saw growth issues as early as 5.5 wks (knuckling). Other breeders have as well as one person who evals a lot of litters for structure. This was 8 yrs ago, and the Ca++ levels are even higher now w/ the formula change. I went back to Euk LBP... Ca++ less than half of what Canidae has. My lines do well on Euk LBP. I do switch my personal pups to Canidae once they are ~ 1yo, and growth is mostly done.

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    If thats the case, and I'm not saying it isn't (trust me, I'm still learming) then how come foods like blue buffalo (and others I've seem) have calcium levels that are the same as Canidae? For example, this is the the blue buffalo wilderness puppy.

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    Crude Protein 36.0% min
    Crude Fat 16.0% min
    Crude Fiber 6.0% max
    Moisture 10.0% max
    Calcium 1.3% min
    Phosphorus 0.9% min
    DHA* 0.1% min
    Omega 3 Fatty Acids* 0.9% min
    Omega 6 Fatty Acids* 3.0% min

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    Quote Originally Posted by greygoose View Post
    If thats the case, and I'm not saying it isn't (trust me, I'm still learming) then how come foods like blue buffalo (and others I've seem) have calcium levels that are the same as Canidae?
    You can have calcium levels any amount you want when you're a dog food company. However, it doesn't mean they are best for a young dog. This is why I will NEVER feed a food that hasn't actually been fed to real dogs in a trial. Most of these "newer" foods are only formulated in a laboratory and never actually fed to dogs before hitting the market.



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    Quote Originally Posted by labby View Post
    You can have calcium levels any amount you want when you're a dog food company. However, it doesn't mean they are best for a young dog. This is why I will NEVER feed a food that hasn't actually been fed to real dogs in a trial. Most of these "newer" foods are only formulated in a laboratory and never actually fed to dogs before hitting the market.
    Fair enough. So then I would like to ask, what are some good PUPPY foods?

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