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    tootsiesmom is offline Senior Member
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    DefaultAny more ideas on these skin issues?

    Tiller and Tootsie have huge hot spots and both haven't experienced this before. Tootsie first. First vet treated her with antibiotics and pred. 10 days later it healed and I slowly backed her off the pred. Got to 1/4 tab every 2 days and she had hot spots in the same spot but expanded areas again with the exception of her anus that I won't let her get near. Meanwhile, Tiller gets the SAME thing. EXACTLY same area on the neck. I tried pred with him and it didn't work so now we have HIM on antibiotics. He is responding but I would assume they could appear again.

    So my vet yelled at me about year round frontline and a few other things and I finally said "just let me bring Tootsie in for you to look at her before we jump to conclusions". Have the appointment today and he scraped her, analyzed under a scope and found nothing but a TINY bit of fugal material that he doesn't feel is significant but he'd like to treat "just in case". OK, so now she is back on pred, antibiotics AND an antifungal....with no diagnosis. He also took a culture and has that growing for 2 weeks. I pray it provides SOME answers....I'll take a disease at this point....just cure my dogs! He blamed me, saying this was from a lack of grooming (ummm, I shaved the dog and groom both of them every week at the very least). Tiller gets a rub down with a rag every other day. I've done this for 9 years without any problems...it's obviously something else.

    So do you have any ideas? Right now we are completely out of options if this does not work. We are due with our first baby in almost 6 weeks and I am worried about having a newborn, being in the hospital, etc with the care needed in Tootsie, maybe we can leave her at the vets. She has to be crated AND tied in her crate WITH an E-collar (cone) on to prevent ripping her face apart. Tiller is a MUCH better patient and just needs to be let out, I am not worried about him..he is such an easy lab THANK GOODNESS!. Either way, they have to be let out every 4 hours while on pred. I don't know how we are going to manage all of this. With Tootsie, I am afraid, she is probably at the end of the line if she doesn't get better. I can't keep her from tearing herself apart.

    SO thats the story. Some additional information...
    1) they have both been on the same food and PMI said they have not changed formula. 2 vets agree it probably isn't dog food since they are NOT related animals and they both got the spots at the same time
    2) I have not changed detergents or cleaning supplies
    3) I do fertilize the lawn, but they are not allowed on the lawn until it is seriously watered in. We have other areas for them to play in (33 acres of land helps LOL).
    4) They do not have fleas or eat mites
    5) they are on dewormer, vets do not suspect worms

    Soooooo, anyone have any ideas?

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    imported_oakley is offline Senior Member
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    DefaultRe: Any more ideas on these skin issues?

    Sorry but I have no ideas.
    Just bumping back to the top.
    Hope things get better.

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    DefaultRe: Any more ideas on these skin issues?

    The only thing I can possibly think of to suggest is that you try putting the dogs on probiotics, if you haven't already. Probiotics can give a boost to a sagging immune system, and they certainly can't hurt anything. I hope you get this figured out soon. It seems like some years are just worse for hot spots than others, probably owing to the weather.

    PS - If my vet were "blaming" me for hot spots I would probably be looking for a new vet - or at the very least we would be having a serious discussion about his attitude. 1) The vet works for you, not the other way around. 2) You are a good and caring dog owner, why is your vet treating you otherwise?

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    DefaultRe: Any more ideas on these skin issues?

    Jul could it be stress related - new baby on the way - life is starting to be different? Certainly not accusatory, just a thought....

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    DefaultRe: Any more ideas on these skin issues?

    Is there an allergy or dermatology specialist near where you are?

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    DefaultRe: Any more ideas on these skin issues?

    Quote Originally Posted by BoatDog
    Jul could it be stress related - new baby on the way - life is starting to be different? Certainly not accusatory, just a thought....
    I thought about that too. But we haven't been any more stressed than usual. Until they GOT the hot spots I was playing with the dogs everyday. Tiller needed to lose weight so we played a long game of fetch every day and had been all winter.

    The weird thing is that tootsie lost 5 lbs (unexplained). Because of her coat I could not tell that she lost that much weight until I shaved her. I guess I really need to proactively weigh her more, that is MY fault and I take blame for that. Tiller lost weight but I am ok with that.

    I will try probios, it can't hurt. Any type that is recommended? I can get some in powder form at TSC but I would bet the dogs would not eat it.

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    DefaultRe: Any more ideas on these skin issues?

    Quote Originally Posted by mitziandjudysmom
    Is there an allergy or dermatology specialist near where you are?
    Yes, but with having 2 dogs with the same issue we just can't afford what it will cost. I already told the vet we will not go that route. As cruel as it sounds, it is really expensive JUST to walk in the door with ONE dog. It isn't financially feasible with 2. We've been hit with a few emergencies this year (I lost my job, had 3 cars break down 2 weeks ago that we had to fix, and the vet bills) that complied and wiped out our emergency savings (which was WELL over the 10% income threshhold). AND we have a new baby of our own on the way. It also isn't just the $. Tootsie has gone a bit crazy from the pred AND I have to have her tied IN her crate. She has the capability to itch the cone and open up the sores on her face. Plus she can reach her muzzle with her feet. She isn't a good patient by ANY means and this is making it significantly difficult to treat. Tiller has been very easy going, he is on the opposite spectrum for treatment and I just have to put the cone around him......he leaves the spot alone. Tootsie would take the skin off her skull if I let her.


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    I'd probably try a change of food if it were me. Vets are sort of notorious for being lacking in the nutrition department, and it's definitely the cheapest "treatment" option, right? From what I've heard, hotspots are very often caused by something food related.

    Also, Baloo had a sore a few months ago (not a hotspot, he was playing with another dog and crash-landed on an exposed branch) and I used this stuff that I had laying around for use as styptic powder in case I ever cut a nail too short. It worked unbelievably well, the sore was healed in 2-3 days.

    http://www.urbancarnivore.com/uc_onl...?Product_ID=29

    Hope they get better soon! That must be so stressful for you.
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    DefaultRe: Any more ideas on these skin issues?

    What are you feeding them?

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    DefaultRe: Any more ideas on these skin issues?

    I just wanted to say I hope things get better.

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