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    DefaultRemember how excited i was over "normal dog problems"? Now i have one =(

    Koda *sigh*

    She was always a bit growly when she came to me.. i figured it had to do with her knee pain and dismissed it.. she was also a bit mom-jealous.. both are really, but koda's more vocal about it. I've managed to get that under control.. one ounce of growl and she's off the couch so fast.. it has really helped her and she doesn't growl at tuck anymore when he gets close to me.

    She does, however, growl at other dogs.. It's a pretty loud growl.. pretty much a snarl but no biting. I first noticed this when i brought her over to a friend's house and her weim came bouncing around.. snarl.. or when the weim's owner petted koda and the weim came around, snarl..

    And yesterday at the beach.. a very lovely black lab came over to play and snarl.. he wasn't anywhere near me, so it wasn't a possessive thing..

    This made me sad.. scared the crap out of the lab's owner.. but i KNOW tuck would have loved to play with this boy, and his owner went "oops.. she doesn't like you.. let's go"

    The poor boy.. he was whining with his owner further up because he saw my two and wanted to come over.. which normally would have been fine.. but koda can be quite verbal...

    She has snapped, but never bitten.. and other times she's fine and playful.. really unpredictable and i have no idea the root of her issue...

    She's great with people, but she /did/ growl ONCE at a woman.. who later admitted she's terrified of dogs.. so koda may have sensed it.. but she's been around lots of people, including kids and that's the only time i've heard her growl like that.

    She needs to go into obedience for sure.. but i'm wondering if i need to figure this out first, or would this be something that a group of dogs in a controlled environment would do her good?

    I'd really like to fix this.. i have so many friends with dogs.. i'd love for her to be able to play with them w/o worrying she's going to bite someone.

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    Both of the training centres that have been to help with that sort of problem Kelli.

    One in particular didn't actually take part in the class but was " on leash" socialised with all of the dogs in the class and floored as soon as it growled.

    I can't say that this is a way forward for a dog but they were prepared to help.

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    Sorry Kelli - hope you find a solution

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    That's tough...hopefully a class when she can socialize with other dogs in a training environment will help with that.
    Zoe has issues with dogs that "question" her or seem to threaten me. It's a PITA because I can't take her every where not knowing if it will trigger. 95% of the time she loves playing with other dogs, but it's that 5% that I worry about.
    She adores children and people...never had a problem there.
    Good luck; hopefully a class will help.

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    I hope it's easily "fixable", Kel. I think a good obedience class would help. She's probably not used to all the situations, being that she's had mobility issues for so long. It sounds like a frightened reaction.



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    Hmm... she could just be growly.

    It's hard with growling because you don't want to punish it, because thats your warning system. Punishing growling will remove the growling, but it won't change how she feels about the situation. Thats where you hear the "he bit out of the blue!" stories, those dogs had their warning system removed, essentially.

    What does she do when she's free to do whatever with another dog off leash? Does it escalate past growling if left unchecked? Any other signs besides the growling, like posturing, hackles raised, lips bared, whale eyes?

    Have a look at this vid, does this describe anything about her in that moment?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT4hL...rom=PL&index=3

    I have a friend with a rottie who growls her face off all the time, it's just her. Would never and has never escalated beyond that point, she's just a vocal girlie, no other "symptoms" so to speak.

    Here's one about fear as well that's good to watch:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9loVt...0BC4BF&index=2
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    I'm wondering if after all of her leg problems, she is being protective of her leg and warning other dogs off if they are too bouncy? I know with my "old soul" he'll tolerate quite a bit, but if the other dog is too bouncy or rowdy, he will give a low warble and I know instantly he's had enough, and usually it is if the dog is bouncing around his unprotected leg with the severe arthritis....(I know other will have more answers, but with my boy who had bilateral elbow dysplasia and a blown knee, this is his problem.)... and when Indy does give the warble, if he's in house he wants on the bed up and out of reach, if he's outside, he wants to be lifted on the deck and into the house, again out of reach...

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    With the weim, the hackles were up.. i didn't notice it yesterday at the beach.. but it's possible..

    I haven't reprimanded it much because I'm not sure what i'm dealing with and i'm a bit more inclined to figure out what's wrong first than to reprimand instantly.. the couch thing wasn't an option, growling at tucker, not an option.

    The videos are helpful.. it'll give me something to look for in the future.

    I don't think it's pain based.. koda and tucker do extreme bitey face rounds and she bounces around on those knees like they're bionic.. it could be based on past pain, but i'm not sure that's the case either.

    The only sign i know for sure was the hackles with the Weim.. that's not much to go on.


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    From your description (and re-watching the videos again, the second one especially you should check out, gotta love JD. ) it sounds like it's an unsure/insecurity type thing. In which case, class would be great. Insecure (socially) dogs reap great benefits from learning new things.

    Peanut used to have "issues" with other dogs, especially small furry ones, for whatever reason. She has actually attacked a few, never drawn blood, but scary stuff. Since she's been in agility training and we've nearly perfected her recall, she is so, SO much better. I can see the signs of escalation and tension building (so subtle, "hard" stares, tensing of certain muscle groups, etc) and call her off before she hits her threshold. She's slowly getting to the point where she can manage on her own 90% of the time without my need to intervene. It's a work in progress.

    With any growling its important to get at the root issue, which with the couch thing I think you probably did, even maybe without knowing it. With that situation, you don't want to correct the growling, you want to correct the guarding/bossiness (underlying cause of growling), which asking her to get off the couch did. See what I mean?
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    We're going camping (tent and all) on the long weekend.. joining us among 2 other humans is a great dane and a husky mix.. this should be interesting =)


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