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    DefaultHOLY COW!! What do you guys make of this???


    http://www.iamscruelty.com/

    :surprise: :surprise: :surprise:

    I checked snopes and couldn't find anything. Yowza!!!
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    DefaultRe: HOLY COW!! What do you guys make of this???

    OMG why did I open that? :'(



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    DefaultRe: HOLY COW!! What do you guys make of this???

    It was, and maybe still is, very disturbing as I was reading. Then I got to this statement,

    'For nearly 10 months in 2002 and early 2003, a PETA investigator went undercover'

    I have no idea how much truth is included on the whole page. I don't trust PETA to present facts without something between distortion and outright lies.
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    DefaultRe: HOLY COW!! What do you guys make of this???

    I'm no PETA fan either Ed, but this video is disturbing. they can't make that up. :'(

    http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video....iams&Player=qt (WARNING - disturbing and upsetting footage)
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    DefaultRe: HOLY COW!! What do you guys make of this???

    That's old. Here's Iams' response back when it first came out.

    Thank you very much for taking the time to forward the link to this horrible web
    site. It positively sickens me, and is a gross misrepresentation of The Iams
    Company and the research we have conducted! We sincerely appreciate loyal
    customers like you who make the effort to investigate the truth about these
    horrible accusations. Uncaged Campaigns is an animal rights group in the UK
    that has connections with a tabloid in London that "broke" this story on Sunday.
    Here is our official response:

    An article published by a British tabloid newspaper (Sunday
    Express, "Pet Food Cruelty," May 27) contained inaccurate and misleading
    information about Iams nutritional studies. The Iams Company is appalled by
    these false allegations of animal cruelty.

    More than two years ago - well before our acquisition by Procter
    & Gamble (P&G) - The Iams Company independently made a firm and binding decision
    that we would not consider or sponsor any studies that required the euthanasia
    of dogs and cats. We determined that we could continue to make crucial health
    advancements without such studies because certain key findings had already been
    made, and new alternative research methods had been developed (for example,
    advances in MRI technology can now be used to examine the condition of bones and
    joints without using invasive procedures).

    Early in our efforts to develop nutritional innovations, we
    sponsored university and veterinary school research in North America that
    identified important questions. The answers to those questions could
    potentially save and enhance the lives of millions of dogs and cats, but could
    only be determined through studies requiring euthanasia. We exhausted all other
    alternatives and made choiceful decisions in our research methodology. In those
    few instances, researchers used the minimum number of animals possible, and the
    results have benefited dogs and cats world-wide.

    For example, our studies of canine and feline kidney disease - a
    chronic and fatal illness affecting millions of pets - resulted in new renal
    diets that make a significant difference in the lives of dogs and cats with
    chronic renal failure. Our research into healthy skeletal development has made
    a big difference for large breed dogs, where painful and debilitating
    developmental bone problems can occur in up to 40% of puppies.

    Despite these facts, the story in the Sunday Express portrayed
    our published research findings in a sensational, negative, and misleading way.
    The article repeatedly described ordinary veterinary health practices in
    unnecessarily horrific terms. For example:

    * A skin biopsy - which is a common diagnostic test in both human and
    veterinary medicine - was described in the article as "giving the animal chest
    wounds."
    * Giving an animal a routine vaccination was described as "injecting with
    live virus vaccines."

    Clearly, this type of language is deceptive and
    counterproductive.

    Other leading pet food companies sponsor or have sponsored
    similar studies to those undertaken by our company. Unlike most of our
    competitors, Iams openly presents and publishes our findings (for example,
    veterinary conferences, peer-reviewed veterinary journals) so that other
    researchers can help improve the health and well-being of dogs and cats, without
    repeating research projects.

    This raises an important question: If our research has been
    presented, published and part of public record for more than ten years - and if
    other leading pet food companies sponsor similar studies -- why was The Iams
    Company singled out now?

    To answer that question, it is important to consider the source
    of the allegations: This story appears to have been sparked by Uncaged
    Campaigns, a UK-based animal activist organization that has long called for
    boycotts of P&G products.

    To sum up, our research efforts have always been guided by a
    strict code of ethics that exceeds the highest standards established by the
    Animal Welfare Act of the US and the US Department of Agriculture. Today, and
    in the past, all of our feeding studies have been required to meet very specific
    criteria, namely:

    * The care of animals is of paramount importance, and animal well-being is
    always our top priority.
    * The results must help veterinarians and pet owners nutritionally manage
    important pet health conditions and give real benefits to dogs and cats
    world-wide.
    * The studies must be unique, relevant, and truly pioneering - in other
    words, no existing research could answer the questions raised.

    At Iams, we stand behind our research, and are proud of our
    55-year track record of enhancing the well-being of dogs and cats by providing
    world-class quality foods. That is our mission, one that we live by every day
    in every corner of the company, starting with our Research and Development.

    The negative Iams information that is flowing through the Internet right now is
    a distorted view of our research. Unfortunately, this type of sensationalism is
    at the expense of a company made up of people that are passionate about their
    dogs and cats, as well as their company's mission (to enhance the well being of
    dogs and cats by providing world-class, quality foods). I wish I could share
    with you all the thousands of contacts we've had from dog and cat owners
    reporting on the impact our foods have had on their pets' health. My own dog
    has experienced terrible allergies that were greatly soothed by feeding her a
    Eukanuba Veterinary Diet.

    We are truly grateful for the long-term loyalty you have shown Iams Cat Foods.
    We hope that we have been helpful in addressing your concerns, but if you have
    additional questions, please call us at 800-863-4267 or contact us anytime
    through our "Talk to Us" page at www.iams.com .

    Sincerely,
    Bev, Consumer Relations
    The Iams Company






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    DefaultRe: HOLY COW!! What do you guys make of this???

    You know, I can never figure out how on earth people think that most of this stuff is true based on the fact that in order for an accurate study to occur (especially in a long-term food trial situation), research animals *have* to be kept happy and healthy (unless you're trying to "cure" or "improve" a disease through the use of diet). Otherwise, your results would get completely skewed. It would be absolutely inaccurate to have loads of stressed out, overcrowded animals living in their own excrement because they would be going through stress-related changes (like release of cortisol into their systems) which would make their bloodwork values and physical exam findings inaccurate for the study being done.

    Plus, with the development of the Animal Welfare Act and all of the guidelines for lab animal use/husbandry/care, there are VERY strict guidelines that have to be followed.

    I guess you would have to have experience in science to know that, though...

    PETA? No comment.

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    DefaultRe: HOLY COW!! What do you guys make of this???

    I saw the PETA part and immediately discounted this as BS!

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    DefaultRe: HOLY COW!! What do you guys make of this???

    Iams should be boycotted if not for cruelty then for a bad product if nothing else.

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    I doubt the truthfulness of the website.

    I know universities have strict guidelines for the humane care and treatment of any laboratory animals used in research under their aegis.

    Hill's Science Diet's home office is in Topeka and 2 of our LabFest members work at Hill's. One has an AKC Lab given to him as a puppy with the provision that he be fed nothing but the experimental food Hill's supplies in unmarked, unlabelled bags. This is to periodically assess the effects of the food on dogs raised in normal family circumstances. Procedures like this have been used for scores of years.

    E.g., Scott & Fuller, in their classic "Genetics & the Social Behavior of Dogs", had many of their 5 breeds of dogs raised in the families of their research employees. And that was over 50 years ago.
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    DefaultRe: HOLY COW!! What do you guys make of this???

    Quote Originally Posted by MrDogLover
    Iams should be boycotted if not for cruelty then for a bad product if nothing else.
    What bad product? I know a lot of people who feed their food and like the results. What's so bad about that?



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