so my neighbor recently took her lab mix to the vet, he is just a little puppy around 8 weeks or so. He told he to start teaching him who is boss by forcably laying him holding him there for a second or so, then letting go. You are to repeat this until he will lay down still for 30 minutes. While doing this you are not supposed to talk or give any commands.
I have a full lab, and was wondering what everyone though about this. I even tried it for a couple times, and he got agressive while doing it. Even when he plays he has never bit down as hard as he did while I was doing this, I have a few welts on my hands. This just doesnt seem right to me.
anyone have thoughts/ ideas?
I taught Denali with training treats to lay and stay....lay is easy get them to sit then with the treat in your hand put it down to the ground/floor about 6 inches away from them and say down...stay...yeah we are still working on that one...when laying look at them frim voice say stay and walk away back to...I have got about 15-20 feet now before he gets excited and runs at me wanting the treat...a few weeks ago when we start i was lucky to get two steps away.
this is not even to teach lay down though, it is to teach dominance, head of the pack. you lay him down on his side. the vet told her that she had to teach him now that she is in charge, and after she gets this mastered then to let her kids do the same thing so that he respects them too.
My lab Gryphon is 10 weeks, has mastered sit, pretty good with come, and goes to the door everytime he has to go potty. He stays in his kennel quietly at night. So we are doing good. He gets too excited with lay down, so we are still working on that one. Trying to come up with an extra $90 for obedience classes by working some overtime.
Oh well Iam not an expert but we never had to do that with Denali to show him whos boss, but then again each pup is different. We have noticed that with Denali at this age (5months) he tends to have that " I cant hear you" additude so we are working on that with some firm recalling. (speaking firmly)
A lot of old dominance theories are just that - OLD. Frankly, I feel that very few behavioral issues with puppies/dogs have anything to do with dominance. Most are just miscommunication. You're speaking Human, the dog is speaking Dog. Why would the dog need to exert dominance over you? You're not the same species, therefore you don't have a place in the dog pecking order. What does happen is that we as humans either reinforce bad behaviors or fail to correct them. That's when we get into trouble. Your dog doesn't jump up on you because he wants to take over as leader of the pack. He jumps up on you because he doesn't know any different or he gets such a great reaction when he does it!
In my opinion, the best way to train is with positive reinforcement. Catch your dog doing something right, and praise it! You always want your dog to associate you with GOOD things - treats, praise, belly rubs, etc. A lot of the older training methods teach dogs to be slightly fearful of the humans in their life, and that's not good. The more things your dogs knows as good behaviors, the easier it is to direct them away from bad behavior.
Another issue is that as a whole, veterinarians receive very little formal training in animal behavior. There simply isn't time for it in the curriculum - too much time needs to be spent on diseases, treatments, surgery, etc. I tend to take behavioral recommendations from non-specialists with a grain of salt. There is a growing interest in the field, though, so I believe that there could be many more behavior specialists within vet med in the coming years.
Otis - the most trusting dog on Earth.
I think that that is a TOTALLY inappropriate way to teach a puppy anything. >
Tell your friend to pick up "Culture Clash" by Jean Donaldson, it will explain why in very clear terms. If you want to make sure that you're seen as "boss" you control the resources. If you want your pup to fear and mistrust you, hold them on their back forcibly.
Baloo - 5 year old black lab
Peanut - 7 year old minpin
Monster - 3-ish year old frenchie/jack, rescue
Tell your friend to get a new vet.
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I think I agree here.Originally Posted by Dani
I'm with MSU lady on this one.
So what do you guys think about ceaser millan then. he does this all the time