I took Angus back to the vet Saturday morning. He's been pawing his eye a lot, and I wanted to make sure whatever is on his feet has not spread to his eyes.
Vet looked his eyes over really well and said all looked fine, thank goodness. No explanation for why he might be doing that, though.
He was not happy with how his feet look. He hasn't seen Angus since he was only about three days into it, and it's spread quite a bit up his legs. He's been on the meds and Maleseb for a little better than two weeks now.
Simon's paws are no longer hairless and red...the skin is turning dark. I can't tell if that's good or bad. It doesn't look as red and angry. His normal skin color is kind of ashy, and his feet look very dark.
We have a urinalysis on both of them out for blasto test right now, and Simon's fungal smear has gone to the state lab. Vet says that, pending what we find out on those tests (hopefully next week on both), and also pending whether we start to see improvement (I don't really know what "improvement" looks like, though), our next step might be to do a biopsy and send it off.
I'm not sure if I'm thrilled with this idea. It seems a little radical to put one or both of them under for something that appears to be superficial.
The vet seemed kind of worried and concerned, which makes me worried and concerned. They told me he had done a couple of euthanasias that morning I wonder if it was just that affecting his mood.
I was looking more closely at Angus' feet tonight. I am seeing some flakiness, kind of scabbiness. Maybe that is healing? I also looked between his toes and saw a pretty large area that is very black. I've never looked between each toe, to be honest, so I don't know if this is something new or something that's always been there.
This has been so awful, because it's taking so long and I'm not sure if the treatment is working or if I need to be doing anything else.
The vet suggested wiping their feet every couple of days with Betadine, then rinsing. I guess I can try this, but it's not going to be easy to get all the Betadine off their feet and you know how it stains.
I read something about a baking soda rinse that sounded better to me, but that would just take care of itching, not so much antibacterial.
Any more thoughts from anyone? Sorry, just wanted to give another update.
I just wanted to say again that you are heavily on my mind and heart, and I'm keeping both of your boys in my prayers!
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I'm so sorry for you and the boys
Is there any way you can get one of them in to see a boarded dermatologist - maybe Angus first since he looks worse? I would be worried about it spreading up his legs.
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Awww poor Angus and Simon. I hope they both feel better in no time. Hope you can get a diagnosis soon and treat whatever it is that bother them . Good healing thoughts for both of them.
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It might be wise to try to find a "dermatologist" for the dogs, but I'm a little surprised that they haven't already done a biopsy. I've had some skin biopsies of various animals over the years and it really hasn't been anything - they just take a little snippet of the skin - I've even had it done to myself under my armpits when I had an allergic reaction to my deodorant that I'd been using for years, and the doc thought it might be something else. Sending healing thoughts to the boys.
I'd also be surprised if a biopsy involved putting them under - taking a skin sample should be a minor procedure. Another thought - and you might be way ahead of me on this one - but do you have a university veterinary school nearby? If they don't have a specialist, they may be able to refer you to one, or send samples to one at a different school.
What about an athlete's foot spray? Or would that have an interaction with the meds they're on?
sorry you and the boys are going through this...i know it must be terribly frustrating.
wish i had some good ideas for you. sorry this is happening. i'm hoping the worst is over and their skin will start looking better soon. sending lots of good thoughts for your boys.
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Well, I'm just nervous about the way he described the procedure of putting them under, because that was the same description I got for what it was going to be like to cut one of Angus' nails back (he ripped one back to the quick this summer). He said he would just give him something to make him sleepy/relaxed, and use a local. When I picked Angus up he was groggy for about 36 hours. And the bill was almost $500. It seemed like a full-out surgery, rather than just "giving him something to make him sleepy." So, before we do anything, he and I need to have a conversation about this.
Thanks for posting the update. I am sorry that things are still undiagnosed. One thing I would suggest is that you take a digital picture of their feet every day....that way it is easier to see if there is improvement or not. I did that when GUthrie had that gum thing because it was a hard area to look at, and I didnt' know how I was every going to be able to tell if things looked better or worse.
I agree with you about the Betadine being messy but it might be worth a try. Back when Huckle was a pup he had terrible skin eruptions that went undiagnosed for months....antibiotics/steroids....it was awful and very expensive. He was about 6 monts old at the time and I wanted to get him neutered and this vet refused to do it with all the erruptions he was having. Given that and this vets inability to diagnose him I decided to switch vets.
They had no problem doing the neuter....and guess what? The area on his belly that was wiped down with betadine cleared the sores right up. I ended up getting betadine shampoo and it worked wonders. So....it might be worth a try even though it is quite messy.
This vet also said the antibiotics he was on from the other vet were not a good choice for skin infections and that this was probably how it go so out of control. I agree with getting a second opinion from a derm vet...not that your vet is bad but derm stuff is really tough. I would never go to a general practitioner for a skin issue. Even derm docs can have a hard time and they see things like this every day...my mom has history of melanoma and saw a derm for a spot she was concerned about...derm said it was a "sun spot" and not to worry. She saw another one because she had been misdiagnosed the first time she had melanoma. Sure enought..this derm biopsied it and it was melanoma.
I think I would get a derm opinion first to see if biopsy is really the way to go.