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    Subject: grade your kibble

    Start with a grade of 100 points
    1) For every listing of "by-product", subtract 10 points
    2) For every non-specific animal source ("meat" or "poultry", meat, meal or
    fat) reference, subtract 10 points
    3) If the food contains BHA, BHT, or ethoxyquin, subtract 10 points
    4) For every grain "mill run" or non-specific grain source subtract 5 points
    5) If the same grain ingredient is used 2 or more times in the first five
    ingredients (i.e. "ground brown rice", "brewer's rice", "rice flour" are all
    the same grain), subtract 5 points
    6) If the protein sources are not meat meal and there are less than 2 meats
    in the top 3 ingredients, subtract 3 points
    7) If it contains any artificial colorants, subtract 3 points
    8 ) If it contains ground corn or whole grain corn, subtract 3 points
    9) If corn is listed in the top 5 ingredients, subtract 2 more points
    10) If the food contains any animal fat other than fish oil, subtract 2
    points
    11) If lamb is the only animal protein source (unless your dog is allergic
    to other protein sources), subtract 2 points
    12) If it contains soy or soybeans, subtract 2 points
    13) If it contains wheat (unless you know that your dog isn't allergic to
    wheat), subtract 2 points
    14) If it contains beef (unless you know that your dog isn't allergic to
    beef), subtract 1 point
    15) If it contains salt, subtract 1 point
    Extra Credit:
    1) If any of the meat sources are organic, add 5 points
    2) If the food is endorsed by any major breed group or nutritionist, add 5
    points
    3) If the food is baked not extruded, add 5 points
    4) If the food contains probiotics, add 3 points
    5) If the food contains fruit, add 3 points
    6) If the food contains vegetables (NOT corn or other grains), add 3 points
    7) If the animal sources are hormone-free and antibiotic-free, add 2 points
    8) If the food contains barley, add 2 points
    9) If the food contains flax seed oil (not just the seeds), add 2 points
    10) If the food contains oats or oatmeal, add 1 point
    11) If the food contains sunflower oil, add 1 point
    12) For every different specific animal protein source (other than the first
    one; count "chicken" and "chicken meal" as only one protein source, but
    "chicken" and "fish" as 2 different sources), add 1 point
    13) If it contains glucosamine and chondroitin, add 1 point
    14) If the vegetables have been tested for pesticides and are
    pesticide-free, add 1 point

    94-100+ = A
    86-93 = B
    78-85 = C
    70-77 = D
    69 = F

    Following are some foods that have already been scored (alphabetical order
    then ordered by score):

    ALPHABETICAL ORDER:
    Authority Harvest Baked / Score 116 A+
    Bil-Jac Select / Score 68 F
    Canidae / Score 112 A+
    Chicken Soup Senior / Score 115 A+
    Diamond Maintenance / Score 64 F
    Diamond Lamb Meal & Rice / Score 92 B
    Diamond Large Breed 60+ Formula / Score 99 A
    Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance Ultra Premium / Score 122 A+
    Dick Van Patten's Duck and Potato / Score 106 A+
    Eagle Pack Holistic / Score 119 A+
    Eagle Pack Holistic Chicken / Score 114 A+
    Eagle Pack Large and Giant Breed Puppy / Score 94 A
    Eagle Pack Natural / Score 94 A
    Eukanuba Large Breed Adult / Score 83 C
    Eukanuba Natural Lamb and Rice / Score 87 B
    Flint River Ranch / Score 92 B (non-specific fat source)
    Foundations / Score 106 A+
    Hund-n-Flocken Adult Dog (lamb) by Solid Gold / Score 93 A
    Iams Lamb Meal & Rice Formula Premium / Score 73 D
    Iams Large Breed / Score 83 C
    Innova Dog / Score 114 A+
    Innova Evo / Score 114 A+
    Kirkland Signature Chicken, Rice, and Vegetables / Score 110 A+
    Kirkland Signature Puppy Chicken, Rice and Vegetable / Score 108 A+
    Natural Balance Duck and Potato / Score 114 A+
    Nature's Select Chicken & Rice Puppy Growth Premium / Score 96 A
    Nutrisource Lamb and Rice / Score 87 B
    Nutro Chicken, Rice, & Oatmeal / Score 85 C (non-specific fat source)
    Nutro Natural Choice Large Breed Puppy / Score 87 B
    Nutro Natural choice Lamb and Rice / Score 85 C
    Ol Roy / Score 9 F
    Pedigree Complete Nutrition / Score 42 F
    Pedigree Adult Complete / Score 14 F
    Pet Gold Adult with Lamb & Rice / Score 23 F
    Pro Plan All Breed / Score 68 F
    Pro Plan Natural Turkey & Barley / Score 103 A+
    Purina Benful / Score 17 F
    Purina Dog / Score 62 F
    Purina Come-n-Get It / Score 16 F
    Royal Canin Bulldog / Score 100 A+
    Royal Canin Dachshund 28 Formula / Score 97 A
    Royal Canin Natural Blend Adult / Score 106 A+
    Sensible Choice Chicken and Rice / Score 97 A
    Science Diet Advanced Protein Senior 7+ / Score 63 F
    Science Diet chicken adult maintenance / Score 45 F
    Science Diet for Large Breed Puppies / Score 69 F
    Solid Gold Bison / Score 123 A+
    Timberwolf Organics Lamb and Venison / Score 136 A+
    Wellness Just for Puppy / Score 117 A+
    Wellness Super5 Mix Chicken / Score 110 A+
    Wolfking Adult Dog (bison) by Solid Gold / Score 97 A


    NUMERICAL ORDER (BY SCORE):

    Grade A
    Timberwolf Organics Lamb and Venison / Score 136 A+
    Solid Gold Bison / Score 123 A+
    Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance Ultra Premium / Score 122 A+
    Eagle Pack Holistic / Score 119 A+
    Wellness Just for Puppy / Score 117 A+
    Authority Harvest Baked / Score 116 A+
    Chicken Soup Senior / Score 115 A+
    Eagle Pack Holistic Chicken / Score 114 A+
    Innova Dog / Score 114 A+
    Innova Evo / Score 114 A+
    Natural Balance Duck and Potato / Score 114 A+
    Canidae / Score 112 A+
    Kirkland Signature Chicken, Rice, and Vegetables / Score 110 A+
    Wellness Super5 Mix Chicken / Score 110 A+
    Kirkland Signature Puppy Chicken, Rice and Vegetable / Score 108 A+
    Dick Van Patten's Duck and Potato / Score 106 A+
    Royal Canin Natural Blend Adult / Score 106 A+
    Foundations / Score 106 A+
    ProPlan Natural Turkey & Barley / Score 103 A+
    Royal Canin Bulldog / Score 100 A+
    Diamond Large Breed 60+ Formula / Score 99 A
    Royal Canin Dachshund 28 Formula / Score 97 A
    Sensible Choice Chicken and Rice / Score 97 A
    Wolfking Adult Dog (bison) by Solid Gold / Score 97 A
    Nature's Select Chicken & Rice Puppy Growth Premium / Score 96 A
    Eagle Pack Large and Giant Breed Puppy / Score 94 A
    Eagle Pack Natural / Score 94 A
    Hund-n-Flocken Adult Dog (lamb) by Solid Gold / Score 93 A

    Grade B
    Diamond Lamb Meal & Rice / Score 92 B
    Flint River Ranch / Score 92 B (non-specific fat source)
    Eukanuba Natural Lamb and Rice / Score 87 B
    Nutrisource Lamb and Rice / Score 87 B
    Nutro Natural Choice Large Breed Puppy / Score 87 B

    Grades C and D
    Nutro Chicken, Rice, & Oatmeal / Score 85 C (non-specific fat source)
    Nutro Natural choice Lamb and Rice / Score 85 C
    Eukanuba Large Breed Adult / Score 83 C
    Iams Large Breed / Score 83 C
    Iams Lamb Meal & Rice Formula Premium / Score 73 D

    Grade F
    Science Diet for Large Breed Puppies / Score 69 F
    Bil-Jac Select / Score 68 F
    Pro Plan All Breed / Score 68 F
    Diamond Maintenance / Score 64 F
    Science Diet Advanced Protein Senior 7+ / Score 63 F
    Purina Dog / Score 62 F
    Science Diet chicken adult maintenance / Score 45 F
    Pedigree Complete Nutrition / Score 42 F
    Pet Gold Adult with Lamb & Rice / Score 23 F
    Purina Benful / Score 17 F
    Purina Come-n-Get It / Score 16 F
    Pedigree Adult Complete / Score 14 F
    Ol Roy / Score 9 F


    About the Author of this Food Grading Method:

    My name is Sarah Irick and I am a Great Dane owner and rescue volunteer. I am a Civil/Industrial Engineer, not a veterinarian or animal nutritionist by
    education or employment. I do not work for a pet food manufacturer nor am I affiliated with one. I am just an individual who is concerned about what I
    feed my dogs and wants to help others decide what to feed their own. I cannot remember the exact date I designed this system, though I know it's
    been more than a year (probably 2-3 years ago). I was concerned with the way people sometimes throw out names of "good" dog foods that maybe aren't so good, and others take their words for it. Foods that maybe used to be good before their ingredients were changed for the worse or before better options
    became available are still being touted by some as being super-premium and I disagree. Since many pet owners do not have the time or inclination to do as
    many hours of research into pet (specifically dog) nutrition as I and many of you have, I wanted an *easier* way for them to compare labels.
    Unfortunately it is still a bit cumbersome (sometimes 2 people calculate the same food and get different scores even) but it's better than nothing in my
    opinion.

    Is it exact science? No. I don't claim for it to be. In fact I’ve had to make a couple of changes over time (which the above don't reflect) for new
    circumstances I’ve run across, such as the food that contained NO MEAT (not a special diet just one that was so cheap it didn't contain any meat at all)
    and needs a steep penalty in my opinion, but still scored a decent grade on the original. Another example is the newer kibbles that contain no grain
    but, in my opinion, if it still has sufficient fiber and carbs then it deserves extra credit that wasn't previously reflected. Also I’ve gotten
    comments and opinions that I take seriously and incorporate if it seems appropriate.

    I don't have a permanent site host for this although seeing how hugely popular it is and how widely spread without accreditation it has become
    perhaps I should do so. It isn't that I care so much about credit but many people will ask the questions that your posters have about my affiliations
    and biases, etc.

    I don't officially support any one food; anywhere that I personally posted grades on specific foods it was to give an idea of where these foods fell so
    people didn't always have to do the math. If you want to e-mail me with questions or comments, you can at [email protected] . This is my "spam"
    address, so put "Dog Food Grading" in the subject line or I'll probably delete it mistakenly. ~ Sarah Irick
    Jackie, Champ, and Buddy

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    DefaultRe: grade your kibble

    Thanks for this post - very interesting.
    Innova Evo here - 114 A+

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    DefaultRe: grade your kibble

    Quote Originally Posted by patm
    Thanks for this post - very interesting.
    Innova Evo here - 114 A+
    Same here. That ranking was one of the reasons I chose Innova.

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    DefaultRe: grade your kibble

    Just some related info, this is a good article that critiques that particular grading system a little.

    http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index....grading_kibble

    Kate
    Baloo - 5 year old black lab
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    Monster - 3-ish year old frenchie/jack, rescue
    We're Superdogs!


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    DefaultRe: grade your kibble

    Thanks for that!!

    Mine is 119. We are 1/2 raw 1/2 kibble here. Good to know I chose a somewhat decent one
    "Find out who you are and do it on purpose."

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    DefaultRe: grade your kibble

    Cinnamon eats Nature's Variety Chicken Instinct I came up with a total of 104 and there are a lot of the questions I do not know the answer to such as bake, pesticide tested etc.
    Karon<br /><br />

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    I will never understand this stupid system. WHY are some grains worthy of deductions and other you add points.
    GRAINS ARE GRAINS. Barley, Oatmeal GRAINS. But for some reason they have no stigma attached to them. They are used for the SAME reason other grains are used in pet food, but because we have been trained to think they are more wholesome it is okay. :-\


    Whole Grains "Whole grains shall consist of the intact, ground, cracked or flaked caryopsis, whose principal anatomical components - the starchy endosperm, germ and bran - are present in the same relative proportions as they exist in the intact caryopsis.”

    Health bonus: A new study shows that corn has the highest level of antioxidants of any grain or vegetable – almost twice the antioxidant activity of apples!
    - that info comes from the Grain Whole Council

    Whole grains are often more expensive than refined grains because their higher oil content is susceptible to rancidification, complicating processing, storage, and transport


    Probiotics really do not mean much IMO if they are added to the kibble in the factory. They do better if YOU add them prior to them eating.

    So many people are quick to judge a food based on this ingredient or that. Get facts first. REAL facts. Not ones from dog food sites trying to sell you their product but actual nutritional information. Educate before you descriminate.

    I find it comical that the foods on the lower/lowest end of this list are the ones breeders of all breeds have been feeding for years and with great success. I also knew some Pug and other breeders who feed Pedigree. In fact I know a local breeder who back in the day had world wide winning dogs and fed them Pedigree. She now has another breed and also champions and also feeds them Pedigree. MOSTLY CANNED!!!!!!!!!
    Kim

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    DefaultRe: grade your kibble

    Where are the points if it actually works for your dog??? I'll stick with my food that recieved a failing grade
    ~Nicole<br />Grand Ledge, MI<br /><br />

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    DefaultRe: grade your kibble

    Glad to read that I am feeding my dog a high rated food. Yet in the past I fed my other dog, who had no problems what so ever, no ear, skin, coat a "F" rated food. Vet recommended too! I guess use what works best for you and your dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JacksAndLabs
    Where are the points if it actually works for your dog??? I'll stick with my food that recieved a failing grade
    Me too, I'm definitely not changing, mine got an F, but it's the only thing I can give Aries because of allergies, he's 12 years old and so far is healthy and is as good as I'd want him to be for a 12 year old

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