Ive taken him to the park this morning. We saw Billy a springer spaniel who he knows..but Billys whole family was there so about 6 dogs in total. I let him off as they were all heading our way and he hates greeting dogs while he is on a lead (we had some lead aggression issues last year). So it makes it easier if he says Hi off lead.
But he went full steam ahead growling, heckles up. It was a kind of back off signal to them. But once he had had a sniff he was fine. The lady was ok about it, she is a spaniel breeder and understood that he gets anxious. I really dont want him being like this in large groups, he doesnt like over bearing dogs that jump on him etc
Any ideas? Tips? I really would love him to play with other dogs without having to avoid big groups
Honestly, it sounds like a pretty normal reaction to me, given the situation. Big groups of dogs can be very intimidating, and for a dog that may have confidence issues I don't think his reaction was abnormal at all.
We sometimes see a few older people walking a 'pack' of Springers, all off lead. Being Springers, they dart around doing their own thing and not paying a blind bit of attention to their owners. They are actually a real pain in the arse -- chasing my dogs while barking and trying to nip, like a sheepdog. The owners think that the dogs are playing, but what they are actually doing is asserting themselves and being rude because they are allowed to get away with it.
My point is, dogs can be very subtle when it comes to body language. You may not have realized it, but one or more of the dogs could have been displaying unfriendly body language which spurred Alfie into 'defensive insecurity' mode. Equally, it could be that all of the dogs were displaying perfectly friendly body language and he felt overwhelmed and pushed him into reacting. Either way, I wouldn't be concerned. After any incidents with other dogs, their confidence can really be knocked. If you slowly build it back up (which should happen naturally with time) eventually you will find that he will probably stop acting in that way.
Thanks so much Rosie, obviously its hard to watch all those dogs behaviour at once. TBH Billy..the one he knows has always been a jump on me, bite kind of dog and when Alfie was younger he would often hide behind me. Im glad to know its normal!
Doesn't sound alarming to me either. Occasionally Sally acts like that around a group of dogs. It's like she has to get things settled with them, then everything is fine.
We took our dogs to Bark in the Park Atlanta Braves game last fall and just happened to meet up with her breeder and a friend who was taking some of her dogs to the game. There were a LOT of dogs there.
Sally started her hackles up, barking, intimidating behavior. Honestly, I was embarrassed. I started to correct her. The breeder said, "Oh that's ok. She's just letting everyone know who's boss around here."
After that, I started paying closer attention to what she actually does, and that was right on. Once it's all settled, she is just fine. Has a great time playing nicely with everyone.
So, right now, your "problem" doesn't sound so bad. But, of course, that's my non-professional, non-trainer, non-behaviorist opinion FWIW!
LOL i did feel embarrassed and if he had been barking at anyone elses dogs they would have said "stick that aggressive dog bk on a lead" and id have been mortified but she also said it was fine so phewww
The behavior I notice at dog parks is anytime a single dog comes to a group, the single dog is subjected to the mandatory sniffing, and then everyone gets along. Many times the new 'single' dog will tend to get submissive, timid, shy, or defensive. It seems to be the normal behavior. HK is especially timid when this happens.
Regarding the chase, HK does not like to chase other dogs. But as I interpret her behavior, she loves to be chased. She will run towards another dog and also seem to try to tease the other dog to chase her. If she is successful, the result is this full speed chase that can last 10 seconds or several minutes. She really seems to love being in front of a group of three or more. I believe this is her favorite activity at the park. UNLESS, she has a ball to chase and retrieve herself. And if she has a ball in her mouth, she could care less about any other dog in the park.
Hershey Kisses, In charge of getting Ed out to the dog park so that he gets some exercise.
He is like that if I have his chuckit dogs can come up to him and he will pretend he doesnt notice them, he is fixated on the ball but there are times when Id actually like him to wonder with other dogs, keep the socialisation going IYKWIM
A lot of dog owners are really not at all clued in about reading body language and consequently reading a dogs intentions. Case scenario: when one of mine was a puppy (I'm talking 6 months old here, still a baby) I got accused by an old man that my dog was attacking his. His dog was very submissive and my pup was excitedly sniffing his dog which was on the floor, belly up. He some how, bizarrely, interpreted this as an attack. Whether he was a bit gone in the head or was genuinely clueless about very basic dog-on-dog interactions, I don't know.LOL i did feel embarrassed and if he had been barking at anyone Else's dogs they would have said "stick that aggressive dog bk on a lead" and id have been mortified but she also said it was fine so phew
Best thing to do in the future if you come across a big group of dogs is to pop Alfie back on lead, ask the owners if he can say hello, explain that he might be a bit grumbly at first but it is all talk, and then let him off. That avoids any conflicting situations/misinterpretations.
Thats a good idea, saves any confusion
Abbey does that sometimes, too, if she's around a bunch of dogs she doesn't know, but typically she wants to meet them anyways. If she gets freaked out, she'll normally come hide behind me like the big baby that she is.