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    DefaultDani: Info regarding Rookie's OCD

    Hi, I was reading another post and saw your comments regarding Rookie's OCD. Ruger also has OCD on his hock and our vets haven't really offered much at all in the way treating the lump. It really doesn't bother Ruger normally, unless he has had a little too much exercise ( such as when we went camping and he wouldn't stop till he dropped). I believe it was Wig Wag who suggested we give him daily doses of glucosamine/chondrotin and we have don this. Can you offer any other suggestion, and I was wondering how you came to the decision of surgery and who did it? Any info would be appreciated........Thanks ,
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    Jan, did you take Ruger to an orthopedic vet? If not, I'd suggest that you do. Scotty has ortho issues (elbow dysplasia), and after dealing with it, I highly recommend to everybody with suspected or confirmed orho problems to see a specialist. If you did see an ortho specialist but think that more can be done for Ruger, you might want to get a second opinion.

    Some orthopedic issues can be managed with diet, exercise, and supplements and don't require surgery. So, maybe conservative management is the way to go for Ruger. But as I said above, seek a second opinion if you're in doubt.

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    I was thinking orthopedic vet, but I'm not sure there is even one close by, we live in the very NE corner of PA and not really close at all to a veterinary school. I think there is a equine specialist closer than a canine (lol) That why I was curious who and why Dani chose to have surgery on Rookie. I've read your posts on Scottie thru the past few years, but he seems to be doing good and great in obedience.congratulations! Just a note to Endofile, the one picture of Ruger on the left is a photo, but the one on the right is a portrait my kids did for me last year on Xmas, I can't remove it I love it so much.....thanks for the complement

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    Are you 100% sure Ruger has OCD? That is the question that I'd want 100% answered. The hock is the worst place for a dog to get an OCD lesion and has the least amount of 100% recovery from. In some cases, I was told, that the hock would eventually need to be fused together because of the disfunction and arthritis.

    For me, surgery was the only option. Rookie had started avoiding weight on that leg so much he was standing in curved fashion...and I didn't want it to eventually affect his stifle or his hips for over compensating for his hock being uncomfortable. Plus Rookie's thigh muscles were very atrophied in that leg and you could tell a clear difference in the two legs size wise.

    My first diagnosis was incorrect, MSU diagnosed a cruciate issue when it wasn't his stifle at all. I went to another ortho vet and they diagnosed OCD and took more x-rays. I sent those x-rays to a third ortho specialist to have him comfirm the 2nd ortho's vet diagnosis.

    I didn't go into surgery lightly...but I did have it done....it was scary. I don't regret it...the only thing I do regret is not starting him on formal rehab sooner in his recovery. I was told to strict rest him...and that seems to have put him behind based on some of the rehab stuff I am reading. We are now 7 weeks post op and he is still not completely weight bearing. I started him in rehab yesterday at MSU and he'll be going 2 times a week for the next 5 weeks, where they will be doing hydro therapy, water tred work, and also will be showing me some things to do at home with him to get him back. His thigh is 8 cm smaller than his good leg and the area between the hock and his paw is 1.5 cm smaller than his other leg. He has 20% less flexibility in his bad hock than his other.

    There ain't no close place to me either...his ortho vet is 2 hours away. And rehabd is 1 hour away from me. I have to take 2 days off a week for the next 5 weeks and spend a ton on gas plus the cost of rehab. I love my yeller dog, and I want him to be as close to 100% as possible.

    So, I don't know how bad Ruger is affected...and you will need to make that call with the help of an ortho vet....but I did it because I knew otherwise it would affect other areas of his body that would be a bigger problem down the line.

    I hope that helps.
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    Oh, and I just re-read your post...a lump? I never noticed a lump in Rookie's hock...I just saw visible limping and picking up of his leg in addition to seeing him not be full weight bearing on all fours.

    I also thought it didn't bother Rookie, but anytime they limp that is a sign that it's bothering them. Labs in general have a high pain tolerance so that really isn't much of an indicator.

    The surgery in and of itself is not terrible...but Rookie's lesion was 1/2 cm x 1/4 cm. It was a pretty large one.

    Again, I'd encourage you to make the trek to see an ortho. And yes, Rookie was started on Cosequin DS and Vitamin C immediately.
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    DefaultRe: Dani: Info regarding Rookie's OCD

    Dani:Thanks so much for all the information you gave me. I am assuming is OCD as 2 different vets said it was, and that was after the x-rays were sent to an orthopedic vet out of town, I believe it was in Cleveland. I first noticed the lump on his hock in January, and I have to admit it appeared over night, I know Ruger's body( ie: you know what I mean )and due to it being a lump jumped to the conclusion it was cancer. Thank goodness it wasn't, and it has never gotten any bigger, but not any smaller either. It has not affected his weight bearing or exercise unless its excessive. There is no atrophy in his thigh muscle, both legs look exactly alike except the 1/2 golf ball on one hock........pretty weird. My husband and I are going back and forth on whether or not to fool with his leg when its not bothering him for fear of hurting him. But its great to know what we might have to look forward to. Thanks again for giving me so much information, its what I was kind of thinking.........Safe driving and good luck with Rookie's rehab!

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