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    DefaultImpasse w/ vet @ KSU's CollVetMed re: heartworm & Interceptor

    95% of the time I'm very pleased with the service and treatment my Lab and I get at Kansas State's CollVetMed Teaching Hospital.

    Yesterday fell into the 5% slot and may widen it a bit further, depending on what happens in the future.

    Puff was out of Interceptor (heartworm preventative) and needed to pass a test in order to get it refilled. So we had an appointment for yesterday.

    Our usual vet for the last several years is no longer on staff -- she's taking graduate studies in parasitology (or maybe biochem?) as part of a program to become a vet specialist.

    So we saw a male vet, Dr. S., the same one who'd cleaned Puff's teeth in August.

    I made the mistake of saying I gave Puff one tab @ 45 days and he said it needed to be given monthly. I said Puff (63 lbs.) was at the low end of the med range (51-100 lbs). He insisted that it be given every 30 days. Puff's test ($22) was negative but he refused to give me a prescription for a year -- he gave me a choice between 6 months of tablets ($36.60) and a prescription good for only 6 months but said I'd have to have Puff retested in 6 months to get more.

    I took the tablets and left thinking, Wow!, I think he has a bit of a God complex. :

    I'll mark today's date on the calendar and go back in 6 months (April) and schedule to see Dr. Nelson (a nice woman, so far, we've seen her before). We'll get another test (which she'll probably require to write us a Rx for a year).

    In the meantime, I think I'll continue on the 45/day routine but stop --
    -- giving it during the Nov-Mar period (unless this coming March ends up having no frosts);
    -- make no mention of giving it @ 45 days but instead pretend we're now on a 30 day cycle.

    I do look in the less expensive online outlets from which to buy meds in order to save money (making sure they won't be outdated products).

    I do NOT give the Interceptor @ 45 days as a way of saving money -- I chose that schedule to protect Puff from the risk of heartworm but with a lower amount of toxic chemicals in her system.

    Comments on the judgment of Dr. S. or mine?
    Puff [YF, AKC field line (from competing HT/FT breeder) 62 lbs, dob: 8-'01]

    Bess [BF, AKC bench line (from competing show breeder) 55 lbs., 1967-1981] "Poor Bess, the Wonder Dog":
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    DefaultRe: Impasse w/ vet @ KSU's CollVetMed re: heartworm & Interceptor

    I don't see a problem with the 45 day thing but please don't stop from Nov to March. Watching Billie go through the treatment for heartworm earlier this year was terrifying. The vet still can't say if she got it here or if she had it before I got her but she tells me that even with a frost they can still get it. She sees a lot of her patients that stop over the winter that come up with heartworm. It's really scary.

    Sorry you had a problem with this new guy. I've always heard really good things about KSU.

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    DefaultRe: Impasse w/ vet @ KSU's CollVetMed re: heartworm & Interceptor

    I'm with you Bob. There is no reason why you can't give it every 45 days. They say every 30 since its easier for people to remember it on a certain day each month.

    I wouldn't tell any of the vets there that you're doing it every 45 days. Keep that little bit of info to yourself from now on.



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    I don't see a problem with the 45 day thing but please don't stop from Nov to March. Watching Billie go through the treatment for heartworm earlier this year was terrifying.
    Did you folow such a schedule and yet Billie got heartworm?

    My understanding is it works retroactively -- that is, if the infected mosquito bites on Oct. 1st and you do not give it within, say, 45 days after that time, the HW infection may "take".

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    BTW, we'll be moving our Topeka every Saturday afternoon (2-3 PM) Labfest to a fenced softball field probably the first week of November.

    Do you think you might be able to drive over from KC, MO, some Saturday afternoon? It'd be nice to have it be a day when Myfavoritedog/Guy (from Great Bend?) can also make it so we'd have a minor JL reunion.
    Puff [YF, AKC field line (from competing HT/FT breeder) 62 lbs, dob: 8-'01]

    Bess [BF, AKC bench line (from competing show breeder) 55 lbs., 1967-1981] "Poor Bess, the Wonder Dog":
    http://forum.justlabradors.com/showt...?p=748#post748

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    Sounds like a "student". Vets that have been around know it's actually good for 60 days and are okay with the 45 day thing (that is what I do and my vet is fully aware). I could understand if it was a novice dog owner who might forget (oh wait, you're a man...was it a female; maybe she's afraid you'll forget)! j/k
    Maybe make a phone call and see if you can get someone over the department of a vet that has been there for a long while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Pr.
    I don't see a problem with the 45 day thing but please don't stop from Nov to March. Watching Billie go through the treatment for heartworm earlier this year was terrifying.
    Did you folow such a schedule and yet Billie got heartworm?

    My understanding is it works retroactively -- that is, if the infected mosquito bites on Oct. 1st and you do not give it within, say, 45 days after that time, the HW infection may "take".

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    BTW, we'll be moving our Topeka every Saturday afternoon (2-3 PM) Labfest to a fenced softball field probably the first week of November.

    Do you think you might be able to drive over from KC, MO, some Saturday afternoon? It'd be nice to have it be a day when Myfavoritedog/Guy (from Great Bend?) can also make it so we'd have a minor JL reunion.
    If it's fully fenced I should be able to make a few of those - that'd be great!

    I missed a couple of doses - flat out forgot. I beat myself up pretty good until the vet told me that even with a hard frost they can get it, and that she may have had a false negative test coming out of the shelter...too many variables with a rescue and that it happens to a lot of people anyway.

    I just preach now to not take them off it. Not worth the risk.

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    DefaultRe: Impasse w/ vet @ KSU's CollVetMed re: heartworm & Interceptor

    Learn something new everyday. I didn't know about giving it every 45 days. No vet ever told me that.

    I think I'll stick with giving it on the first of each month, easier to remember AND we have horrible mosquitos down here.

    I the summer I apply the Frontline every three weeks to Ruger. If I don't he get's horrible hot spots. My horse vet told me to use it every three weeks. She had a little Westie that she had to use it every two weeks to keep his flea bite allergy under control.


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    DefaultRe: Impasse w/ vet @ KSU's CollVetMed re: heartworm & Interceptor

    Bob, I'm in your camp. I dose my guys as you do (we're in Tulsa, OK).

    Just as an aside, my vet clinic of almost 15 years went corporate about 3 years ago. Now the young guy won't even tell me what a safe dose of aspirin is (on a temporary basis!) without giving me the "Well, we haven't seen so-and-so in a while and we have much better products to sell you for pain" spiel!

    I recently quit that vet and found an old, loose, family animal man. I hated to do it but I hated the corporate treatment even more. >

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    DefaultRe: Impasse w/ vet @ KSU's CollVetMed re: heartworm & Interceptor

    What are the chances of Dr. S giving you a script for the med?

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    Sandy said:

    Sounds like a "student". Vets that have been around know it's actually good for 60 days and are okay with the 45 day thing (that is what I do and my vet is fully aware). I could understand if it was a novice dog owner who might forget (oh wait, you're a man...was it a female; maybe she's afraid you'll forget)! j/k
    Maybe make a phone call and see if you can get someone over the department of a vet that has been there for a long while.
    He's not a student, he's been a DVM for probably 10+ years -- and vetmed students cannot prescribe or treat clients; they can and do take vitals, write down presenting symptoms, history, etc., (much as a med tech or nuse in a physician's office would do) but anything they do must either be repeated or corroborated by a DVM. I wouldn't describe Dr. S's attitude as being pompous but I did think it was closely related to the hind end of an unlikable horse; that it was holding a personal rigid principle above maintaining a good clinically therapeutic relationship. Well, I'll not see him again unless absolutely necessary. (But I must say, that in my 3 previous dealings with him, he's always been quite professional and acceptable.)

    BillieIsMyKid: Bummer!!! I understand that "false negatives" are not that rare on HW testing. There are several tests available each indicating (with maybe 90% assurance?) whether one of several HW indicator tags is present. One can increase the power by giving, say, 3 different tests but giving the meds is probably cheaper and more effective.

    kiddsmom asked:
    What are the chances of Dr. S giving you a script for the med?
    That was an option I weighed. Either accept a scrip (Rx) for 6 months OR buy a 6 months supply from them.

    Since I was a couple weeks late on my 45 days cycle with Puff, had I taken the scrip, it would have been 7-14 more days before the meds arrived from an online source -- so I opted to buy the Interceptor from them (and began resolving strategies to defeat this impediment).
    Puff [YF, AKC field line (from competing HT/FT breeder) 62 lbs, dob: 8-'01]

    Bess [BF, AKC bench line (from competing show breeder) 55 lbs., 1967-1981] "Poor Bess, the Wonder Dog":
    http://forum.justlabradors.com/showt...?p=748#post748

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