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    DefaultGolden Retriever Club of America's response to doodles...long but worth reading!

    Just thought I would pass along a response that the Golden Retriever Club of America had toward a "goldendoodle" breeder who had a problem with their "anti-doodle" stance... One of the members of my local lab club posted this on our e-mail list. Not only is it extremely well-written, but the content is great! 2 thumbs up for the GRCA!!! Now, if we can only get this together for the lab community...

    http://www.grca.org/pec/goldendoodle_response.html

    Response on Goldendoodles from the GRCA Board of Directors
    December 2006


    I am shocked and insulted by your information on the Golden Retriever Club of American web site concerning Golden Doodles. We breed these dogs with every caution and 2 years of research and have had wonderful results.

    In my opinion your bias and negative comments are uncalled for, perhaps you should purchase one and find out for yourself before you make such bold statements.

    Nancy


    The Golden Retriever Club of America stands behind the information on our Website. We are dedicated to the preservation of the Golden Retriever breed as defined by our standard, which is published on our Website.

    You state that you have two years of research behind your breeding program. We have over 140 years of experience in our breed and can trace our entire breeding program back to the mating of two dogs in the 1860's with very careful notes and ledgers maintained on every single breeding. The history of the Golden Retriever is carefully preserved and documented.

    You do not delineate what you mean by research. What we do in the way of research is fund many bona-fide grants designed to help identify and eliminate canine hereditary disease -- diseases that are, by the way, passed on to your Golden-doodles. Are you aware of these diseases?

    In addition we request that all our members do the basic genetic testing for hips, eyes, hearts and elbows. We request that additional information be given to those who purchase Golden Retrievers about the overall health and longevity of the breed. We expect every breeder to support genetic research not only in doing the four major clearances but also by contributing to a DNA databank available to researchers. The Golden Retriever Club of America is responsible for collecting DNA on over 1000 of our current dogs along with a detailed health profile. There is no such pool of available information on cross bred animals.

    You mention wonderful results. That is a rather broad statement. Golden Retrievers excel in multiple venues -- field, obedience, conformation, agility, companionship, service, detection, comfort and search and rescue. We have a long history of stable temperaments, trainability and bidability carefully preserved and monitored by conscientious breeders. These breeders have the full resources of our club, our foundation and our membership at their disposal.

    The Golden Retriever Club of America also works with the Morris Animal Foundation and The Canine Health Foundation in providing support and samples for vital research in genetics and health. We have never seen a grant application for the health of the Golden-doodle. We have never seen a donation by any Doodle organization to the betterment of canine health, only undocumented claims that their dogs have no health problems. We have never seen anyone breeding doodles of any kind talk about the basic genetic testing for both the Golden and the Poodle. Instead we only hear of these dogs showing up in rescue because the promises of lack of shedding and allergies and stable temperament remain unfulfilled.

    The Golden Retriever Club of America also has an extensive rescue network and is among the first to arrive on the scene during natural disasters to provide shelter and assistance to the Golden. Where were the Doodle people during Hurricane Katrina?

    We do not condone actions such as the deliberate production of litters from two different AKC recognized breeds of dogs, which does not maintain the separate purpose and integrity of each breed. We speak for the Golden Retriever. We expect our breeders to demonstrate honesty, integrity, and fairness in dealing with other owners, breeders, purchasers of puppies and the general public. We feel that the deliberate production of "Golden Doodles" profoundly violates that trust. The Golden Retriever, as a purebred dog, comes from generations and generations of breeding dogs with a common gene pool and a characteristic appearance, temperament and function. "Goldendoodles" are nothing more than mixed breed dogs.

    If you are offended by our website, imagine how we feel about the proliferation of boutique dogs taking advantage of the public and misusing the careful and selectively bred Golden Retriever.

    The Board of Directors of the Golden Retriever Club of America

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    DefaultRe: Golden Retriever Club of America's response to doodles...long but worth read

    That's an intelligent and articulate response to a situation that makes me want to go "WTF were you thinking?"

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    DefaultRe: Golden Retriever Club of America's response to doodles...long but worth reading!

    Wow. I agree; now we need the Labrador Retriever version.

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    DefaultRe: Golden Retriever Club of America's response to doodles...long but worth reading!

    Wow...very nicely done! This is my favorite part...

    If you are offended by our website, imagine how we feel about the proliferation of boutique dogs taking advantage of the public and misusing the careful and selectively bred Golden Retriever.


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    DefaultRe: Golden Retriever Club of America's response to doodles...long but worth reading!

    Quote Originally Posted by sweetmaggiesmom
    Wow. I agree; now we need the Labrador Retriever version.
    amen to that. I still don't understand why anyone would want to mess with cross breeding. Labs and Goldens are similar in temperament and all. Go figure. And like this article says, careful attention has been focused on them by good breeders to keep what he love most about them in their temperament and minimizing the possible negative health problems.

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    DefaultRe: Golden Retriever Club of America's response to doodles...long but worth reading!

    Bravo!

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    DefaultRe: Golden Retriever Club of America's response to doodles...long but worth reading!

    I've been curious about the poodle perspective and got this from the Poodle Club of America website (www.poodleclubofamerica.org):

    "PCA and Labrador Club join forces regarding labradoodles
    The Labrador Club's position on Labradoodles is up on their website and will be published in the Fall LR Gazette column. http://thelabradorclub.com/library/labradoodle.html "

    I think you'll need to copy and paste the link to your browser. Haven't read it yet myself, too anxious to share!..



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    DefaultRe: Golden Retriever Club of America's response to doodles...long but worth read

    Bravo!

    Unfortunately Joe Blow Public is not smart enough to understand half of what is in this letter. And as long as there is a market for these dogs, someone will breed and sell them.

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    DefaultRe: Golden Retriever Club of America's response to doodles...long but worth read

    Standing O! Extremely well-written, factual, and non-inflammatory. Perfect!


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    DefaultRe: Golden Retriever Club of America's response to doodles...long but worth reading!

    That GR reply was very articulate. I liked the Poodle and Lab pieces, too, but they didn't cover as many bases.

    The last I've heard, Labradoodles have never bred "true" and that may be another reason the Australian originators dropped the project.

    For example, when a Lab and Poodle are crossed, the resulting first generation litter is called F1. When F1 Labradoodles are mated with other F1 Labradoodles, the resulting second generation litters are F2. But INSTEAD of looking like the F1 parents, some of the F2 pups look more like Labs, some more like poodles, and some with bits and pieces of both. I think they were never able to get a stable, consistent "Labradoodle" breed with certain characteristics. And that would include the "no shedding". ;D
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