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    DefaultAny experience with femoral head excision or vitamin C for CHD?

    Hi there,
    I am hoping there is someone out there who has first hand knowledge of femoral head excision for hip dysplasia, or using mega Vitamin C (Ester-C) to treat the symptoms? Our 4 year old red lab - Gander - has been diagnosed with hip dysplasia. We had him xrayed after some serious lameness after a hunting excursion. Hip replacement is not an option for us, but the femoral head excision sounds like a pretty horrible surgery to put a dog through. We are concerned about his quality of life once he gets through the six month recovery.
    The research I've done indicates this procedure is most recommended for dogs under 45 pounds. For now we are using Ester-C and limiting his strenuous exercise, and also limiting his diet to thin down a little, tho he is not overweight now. Any input from anyone with experience with these treatments would really be appreciated. Thank you!

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    DefaultRe: Any experience with femoral head excision or vitamin C for CHD?

    I'd recommend getting in to see a specialist. How bad is the HD? Your vet should be treating the symptoms and not the x-ray. There are several of us here on this board that have HD dogs...but I am unsure of anyone that has had surgery.

    My dog has mild HD in the right side and we are treating with Glucosimine and Chonidrin supplements, keeping him leaner and moderate exercise.

    I would recommend finding out the severity and talking to a specialist, before you thinkg about surgery.
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    DefaultRe: Any experience with femoral head excision or vitamin C for CHD?

    How are you administering the Vitamin C? My in-laws collie had HD at a very young age. They used a liquid glucosamine forumula that was also loaded in Vitamin C.

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    DefaultRe: Any experience with femoral head excision or vitamin C for CHD?

    The femoral head excision (or osteotomy) is a poor choice for large dogs. It relies upon the muscle/tendons/ligaments/etc supporting the hip where the femoral head used to be. It works well in cats, and small dogs, who do not need to support much weight with the leg - however large dogs generally do not do as well because the leg (especially the hind leg) has to support all their mass. It's ideally a last resort when arthritic changes prevent the total hip replacement.

    Can you look into CareCredit or something like that to fund a hip replacement? Would it be bilateral? Often just one side can be done. Is there a veterinary teaching hospital near you? I'm assuming the radiographs used to diagnose the CHD were done under anesthesia and by a specialist? Those would be your first steps. I'm so sorry about your poor pup

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    DefaultRe: Any experience with femoral head excision or vitamin C for CHD?

    Thank you for the replies - to answer a few questions, we have worked Gander up to 2000 mg of Ester-C, and are giving it to him in capsule form with his meals. I forgot to mention that we have had him on Glucosamine/Chondroiton for about a year now. We have a 10 year old lab - Drake - who really improved his agility with the glucoasamine, so we are hoping it is helping Gander, too. The vet gave us rimadyl for Gander, and so far we have only used it after a short hunting trip. The vets who saw the xrays said it was "pretty bad" in the one hip. They recommended a specialist to consult if we could consider the hip replacement. I'm afraid I've seen such a change in Gander in just the past month. Even after a small outing you can tell the leg is just not working right for him and is stiff and awkward. He's only been on the Ester-C for about 2 weeks now. I would have to see several large breed dogs who have had the femoral head excision in person before I could consider this surgery. The vets said it is done basically just to remove the pain from the joint. I'm thinking we should be able to keep him comfortable on Rimadyl if needed for as long as possible. I also asked about vet schools doing the hip replacement, and the vets said they charge the same because otherwise they would put the regular vets out of business. For those of you out there with young dogs - it might be worth your while to read up on vitamin C as a preventive measure against hip dysplasia. Some of the studies I read seemed very convincing. If I get a chance I will try to figure out how to post a picture of Gander so you can see my sweety! Thanks, everyone.

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    DefaultRe: Any experience with femoral head excision or vitamin C for CHD?

    I'm sorry to hear about your pup.* We too, were diagnosed with hip displaysia.* We tried many suggestions of our vet.* Luna wasn't a candidate for surgery.* I work for a Naturopathic Doctor, and since we had nothing to lose, decided to try one of the remedies that we use for people and their ligaments/joints.* Guess what?!?!! It worked for us.* Luna still cannot run a marathon (neither can her owner for that matter..hehe) but she is having a wonderful and seemingly pain-free life.* I am not a vet, nor claim to know a ton about these things, but we did try this with our vet's blessing.* It was not a product he was familiar with, but being all natural, and no other alternatives left, this is what we did.* Here is a link to the product we used.*

    http://www.standardprocess.com/sp_ca...uct_detail.asp

    Best of luck to you and your dog.

    Sorry... I'm having trouble with the link..I have copied from their website. Here is the info on the product called Ligaplex II


    Ligaplex® II* *-* Introduced in 1961 and is a member of these product groups: Minerals, Vitamins*

    The connective tissues in and around the joints and intervertebral discs age with normal, everyday wear and tear. The nutrients in Ligaplex ll can help encourage healthy tissue even with strenuous athletic endeavors and provide long-term tissue support for athletes whose joints endure repetitive activity. The nutritional compounds found in Ligaplex ll support proper formation and maintenance of skeletal tissues. Carbamide stimulates the consistent presence of healthy fluid levels in tissues in and around joints.* †

    Content Product No.
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    150 Capsules 5300

    Suggested Use: Two capsules per meal, or as directed.


    Proprietary Blend: 660 MG
    Nutritional yeast, carbamide, bovine bone, veal bone PMG™ extract, bovine liver, defatted wheat (germ), bovine heart PMG™ extract, magnesium citrate, oat flour, inositol, carrot (root), dried pea (vine) juice, Tillandsia usenoides, ribonucleic acid, beet (root), bovine spleen, ovine spleen, bovine adrenal Cytosol™ extract, bovine kidney, mushroom, bovine liver fat extract, flaxseed oil extract, potassium para-aminobenzoate, rice (bran), and soybean lecithin.

    Other Ingredients: Manganese glycerophosphate, gelatin, calcium lactate, water, calcium stearate, colors, mixed tocopherols (soy), ascorbic acid, vitamin A palmitate, cellulose, cyanocobalamin, and cholicalciferol.
    * *Supplement Facts:
    Serving size: 2 Capsules
    Servings per container:* 20 or 75*
    Each serving contains:* *%DV
    Calories* 4*
    * * *
    Total Carbohydrates* 1 g <1%**
    * * *
    Vitamin A* 585 IU 10%*
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    Vitamin C* 1.3 mg 2%*
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    Vitamin D* 25 IU 6%*
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    Vitamin E* 1 IU 4%*
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    Vitamin B12* 2 mcg 35%*
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    Calcium* 22.4 mg 2%*
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    Manganese* 35 mg 1750%*

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    DefaultRe: Any experience with femoral head excision or vitamin C for CHD?

    Nick has HD and its severe. The vet has indicated that the only surgical option is a Total Hip Replacement (based on his weight/size (85 lbs)

    The good news: We placed him on Adequin* and Rimadyl and he has responded dramatically! He is running, jumping and taking stairs again. The drug promotes new growth of cartilage and increased synovial fluid while reducing inflammation He will probably still need the surgery, but it will be much further in the future. He is happy, pain free and active as I write this.

    Good luck to you.

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    DefaultRe: Any experience with femoral head excision or vitamin C for CHD?

    Have you read anything about Vit C in liquid form being more effective then the capsule form? The case I am most familiar with, they used a liquid Gluc/Chon medicine with vitamin C in liquid form. some are even now experimenting with an injectable that is put right into the effected area. This was used with a collie, who was not a candidate for the femoral head excision surgery due to her weight. And they had great results.
    Also ,massaging the area will help improve circulation as well. This is great to do in the evening while watching tv. If you can, get some fish body oil capsules. The omega 3 fatty acids have anti-inflammatory properties. Others swear by SynFlex so you might want to check that one out and see if you think it would work for you.

    Good luck and i'll PM you some tips for uploading pics because we would love to see your pup.

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    DefaultRe: Any experience with femoral head excision or vitamin C for CHD?

    There is an ortho website for Hip Dysplasia etc. that you might find helpful.

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CanineHD/

    There is also a site for Conservative Management.

    My dog has HD.....mild at the moment.* She's young (about 2) and really in no discomfort.* I'm hoping with care we can keep her that way without surgery.* Time will tell.* I have a friend who's dog had the FHO surgery due to an accident.* I don't know if THR was even an option in this case.* His other hip fortunately is good.* I think it has worked out okay for him, although it hasn't been that long.* I'm guessing but I would say he's got to be 60 odd pounds.* Next time I see my friend I'll ask how he's doing, what he weighs etc.* As yellojakesmom said....smaller dogs would likely handle it much better.*

    What does your dog weigh?

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    DefaultRe: Any experience with femoral head excision or vitamin C for CHD?

    Thank you again, everyone, for the helpful information. It is so good to receive hopeful information at a time when you are feeling some despair. I will definitely look into the Ligaplex II, Adequin, Liquid Vit C and the suggested web sites. Trying to post a pictures of our boys here - hope it works! Gander is red, Drake is black.

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