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    I've mentioned before that Scout has suffered with Colitis. I got him at 9 weeks and he has never had a firm stool and lots of diarrhea. I've tried Orijen for puppies, Natural Balance LID, Wellness for puppies, Wellness simple with only two ingredients and nothing helped. He has been in residential training for the last four weeks and they tried him on Hills WD and he finally has firm stools. It seems like the only food that has worked for him so far.

    I feel sick about feeding him this food. The first ingredient is ground corn, then cellulose and then another grain. The protein is animal by-products. I'm one of those people that obsesses over the food he eats so it is killing me to think of feeding him this food, but at this point I don't see an alternative. I'm thinking of keeping him on it for at least three months and then try to slowly transition him to raw. I will buy the raw food from the pet store and the brand I like is nature's variety. It is 95% protein with added fruits and vegetables. I don't think he could handle a prey diet.

    Can I ask what you would do if your dog was in this situation. I want to do want is best for my dog's health and now I'm confused. Any insight would be deeply appreciated.

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    Hey Deb, how's he doing in the training? I forgot about that! Why did they take it upon themselves to change his food?!

    Try a grain free food. Natural Balance Venison and Sweet Potato was a Godsend for us.



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    Amy,

    Scout is doing amazing. I can't believe the difference. He is so focused and his behavior has improved 100%. He obeys commands, can walk on a loose leash, sit on his mat until released, he looks you straight in the eyes whenever you give him a command, sits at the door until he is released to go outside and overall a more controlled dog. I feel this was money very well spent. Since he had 5 trainers working with him he will be able to respond to others commands, hopefully mine. He is coming home on Saturday.

    As for the food, I did try him on natures balance the venison formula. Honestly I've tried everything and this is the only thing that works. I'm afraid to try again and have the diarrhea come back. So I'm thinking that I should give his system time to heal and then switch when his stomach has settled down I'm hoping that raw will be a good replacement for the WD. It just sickens me to feed him this, but I guess I just have to look at it as a temporary situation.

    Thanks for asking about Scout. I can't wait to get him home on Saturday.

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    Is WD formulated for all life stages? If it is I would keep on with that personally, at least until Scout has been back home for a while - that's going to be a stressor, and I'd be hesitant to add another stress (new, raw food) into the picture at the same time.

    How old is Scout now? Did you ever culture his feces? What medications was he on for the colitis, and did they help? Personally, if I had a young dog that never had a single firm stool except on WD I would be considering seeing a specialist (internal medicine or pediatrics) to make sure there's nothing else amiss. But I'm a crazy worry-wart googler too.

    Has your vet talked about possible food hypersensitivity at all? Personally, I would do at least 2 months on a hydrolyzed protein food (Purina HA is a good one, Royal Canin makes one too - they're both Rx). Then I would add in one protein source (cooked) for two weeks and check for a reaction. After that I would add in one grain/carbohydrate source for two weeks and check for a reaction. Then I would look for a food that uses those. Since you've fed a lot of foods, finding a novel protein source might be hard - rabbit maybe?

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    As for the food, I did try him on natures balance the venison formula.
    I saw that after I posted. Maybe try the fish one, or the duck one?

    I can't wait to hear how he is when he gets home!!



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    Scout is a little over 7 months now. Yes I have had his feces checked and also had him tested for worms and giardia, all of which was clear. They did note he had colitis and put him on an antibiotic and probioltics. I don't remember their name. For three weeks I cook boiled chicken and white rice and fed that to Scout. It helped a little bit, he didn't have gushing diarrhea but his stools were still quite soft.

    I like your idea of maybe going to see a specialist. The other thought I had was following up with veterinary dietican. Maybe they could help me find a better food. I noticed my vet had Royal Canin prescription food, should I look into that. I will look on the internet and see what their ingredients are. I would never consider feeding my dog raw until he has at least three months of firm stools and then I would introduce it slowly. But the more I think of it the more I think I should consult with a nutritionist before I make any switch.

    Thanks for taking the time to respond. You gave me a lot to think about.

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    Amy,

    I can't wait until he gets home too, but I'm also scared. I hope I can continue the kind of training he has gotten. I want to make sure I keep up the work he has had in training. They will continue to work with me so I am using the same methods. I take this very seriously and would feel like I failed Scout if somehow I didn't continue with the progress he has made. They said he is very smart and easy to train, but he does have considerable energy and would be a good working dog, so I will have to figure out some things to do keep his mind occupied and provide him with plenty of exercise.

    I pray that I do right by this guy, he deserves all my love and support.

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    That's really weird that w/d works for him, considering the ingredients! But, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. If it works for him, I wouldn't worry too much about it for now.

    But I do agree that you may want to see a specialist - I would call the veterinary hospital at UC-Davis. It's far from you, but sometimes the nutritionists can do over-the-phone consultations.

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    I'm just sick. I checked out the nutrition information for Hills WD and it is terrible. The ingredients are listed below. I feel like a dog abuser feeding this crap.

    Ingredients:
    Ground Whole Grain Corn, Powdered Cellulose, Peanut Hulls, Chicken by-product Meal, Chicken Liver Flavor, Soybean Meal, Soybean Mill Run, Dried Egg Product, Soybean Oil, Corn Gluten Meal, Iron Oxide, Choline Chloride, L-Lysine, Calcium Carbonate, Vitamin E Supplement, vitamins (L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin, Folic Acid, Vitamin D3 Supplement), Potassium Chloride, preserved with BHT, BHA and Ethoxyquin, minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite), Taurine, DL-Methionine, L-Tryptophan, L-Carnitine, Beta-Carotene.

    Guaranteed Analysis %:
    Crude Fiber max 20
    Protein min 15
    Fat min 6
    Calcium min 0.4
    Phosphorus min
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    Personally, I think you have switched foods much too frequently. His is now on the 5th brand in the 5 months you have had him. How much of a test were any of these given? I think you should gradually - very slowly - switch him to a food with better top 5 ingredients. You don't have to go grain free necessarily.

    I think this puppy has just been on such a significant variety of foods his guts were probably quite insulted.
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