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    The other night at obedience class the first thing he taught was the dominant down. I unfortunately could not do it because I have a bad knee and I'm a blubber butt. I intent to try it at home but before I do, can someone tell me how necessary this is. The move he taught was getting your dog to do down on his side or back and then sort of laying on him and keeping him in control. Help please!

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    No! Dominant downs are outdated, unnecessary, dangerous and harmful to your relationship with your dog. Dominance theory in dogs was based on very very poorly constructed studies that have since been proven incorrect, but like the STD of dog training it just keeps hanging around. I would begin to look for another class, and ask for a refund.

    Please read these short articles before you begin aggressive training techniques with your guy - there are many better methods out there for training dogs.

    If You're Aggressive Your Dog Will Be Too

    Dominance Theory for Dogs is Old Hat
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    "Much worse, techniques such as pinning the dog to the floor, grabbing jowls, or blasting hooters at dogs will make dogs anxious, often about their owner, and potentially lead to an escalation of aggression.

    Dr Rachel Casey, Senior Lecturer in Companion Animal Behaviour and Welfare at Bristol University, said: “The blanket assumption that every dog is motivated by some innate desire to control people and other dogs is frankly ridiculous. It hugely underestimates the complex communicative and learning abilities of dogs. It also leads to the use of coercive training techniques, which compromise welfare, and actually cause problem behaviours."

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    Agree with the above. Strongly.
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    Well I'm glad you cleared that up. Frankly, I didn't see any point in it. Parker and I have a great relationship and I want it to stay that way. Half the dogs in the class were struggling, most were rather ho hum about the whole thing which to me meant they didn't quite get that they were being shown who was dominant. Parker was just laying there calmly observing and I thought why should I mess with that. I'm there to teach him not to be aggressive or obnoxious with other dogs and people and I didn't see how that would do it.

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    If you pin down youre dog directly to the ground by force, the only thing you show to youre dog, is that you also can show disturbed behaviour.

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    Agree, find a new trainer.

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    I have to agree. It is a very outdated and useless training method. My concern is if he is still using this method, what other outdated methods is he using?

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    Besides if your labs anything like mine he/she may win.then you are big trouble..and Oaley makes a very good point.

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    Even in the framework of that kind of theory - doing that with ALL dogs is misguided.

    I agree - this trainer is behind the times and you need to got outta there.
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    what a shame the classes are fear based and so traditional
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