Well, we've had a rough weekend
Diesel's poops on Friday started to get a little soft so I wasn't shocked on Saturday morning when his first poop of the day was diarrhea. I didn't notice anything unusual & always take a peek at his poop as I scoop. He had breakfast, I crated him (too chewy still to be left alone uncrated!) went out for a couple hours & when I came back took him out of his crate & he didn't make any signs that he had to go out ASAP, but he looked a little odd in his demeanour.
I was just putting groceries away before taking him out when he suddenly crouched for a poop in the kitchen - he has never pooped in the house before. I felt bad for him because I knew he had diarrhea & knew he felt bad for pooping inside. As I was cleaning up I noticed bright red blotches in his poop. Bloody poop is not something I ignore. Regular vet was closed (of course) scooped the diarrhea for a sample & took him to the emergency vet.
As soon as we got there, he pooped again on their mat, less poop came out but still bloody. Few minutes later he vomitted his entire breakfast then almost passed out. The only things ruled out by Emerg were no parvovirus, a quick rectal exam was normal & according to the xray no obstruction. They said if it were an obstruction there would have been more vomit vs diarrhea. As we were with the vet he tried to make a bowel movement & nothing but blood & mucous came out - no fecal matter.
So he was diagnosed with HGE & is now back home after a 24hr stay with IV & meds - I have to administer drops of Metronidazole every 12hrs & he's on Medi-Cal Gastro (canned) food for the next day or so then I can slowly reintroduce his regular food. If he vomits or has bloody diarrhea I am supposed to bring him back in.
The Emerg vet needs to work on their bedside manner, they seemed pretty vague about answers no matter how persistent I was & kept reiterating that he was doing better so it's not that serious & gave me the "we'll never know what caused it" answer & said he could come home. I only gave up with my inquiry because they charge SO much money & our regular vet is open again on Monday.
Tonight I started googling HGE so I can be more informed when I speak to our regular vet, but I am wondering if anyone else has gone through this & can offer any advice? Like if you were able to pinpoint the cause of your HGE case & how did you do it?
I will be asking about his potassium & sodium levels as it can indicate whipworm or Addisons, I need confirmation that Leptospirosis (he was supposed to get his first vacc of this Monday), Coronavirus, worms, parasites & any pancreatic issues have been ruled out as well. I will need to know what his RBC & WBC are & I may insist on an ultrasound just to be absolutely sure there isn't something wrong with his spleen or other organ.
Right now I can't sleep a wink, but Diesel is alot sleepier than normal & a little wobbly I assume lack of food & probably still a bit dehydrated & anxiety, he is alert (when called) & his regular happy go lucky self, but given Labs are famous for being so stoic I am skeptical at times... this was really scary
Last edited by Diesel_Dawg; 09-14-2010 at 11:13 AM. Reason: Update
Jasper went through this only one month ago and he too was admitted for 24 hours to be put on a saline drip and antibiotics !
I still have no idea what brought it on so cannot add to what you already know but dogs manage to eat all sorts of things without you noticing and that's what they put it down to. I know how scarey it is watching them throw up and defecate blood.
Suffice to say that after his antibiotics had finished he is now in rude health one again !
Oh no - I am so sorry - good fast healling thoughts for Diesel
How scary! Hope Diesel is feeling much better.
May I always be the kind of person my dog thinks I am
Terri and Jazzy
I'm so sorry about your boy! You're lucky that you caught it early though, we just had a dog (a chocolate lab actually) spend two days in our ICU with HGE.
Unfortunately there really is no definitive cause for HGE. It has been attributed to dietary indiscretion (the lab I saw ate a bunch of "human food" he doesn't normally get at a party), an overgrowth of a certain bacteria, and for just no apparent reason at all. We do know that dogs that have had one episode of HGE are more prone to have another, so we always recommend a strict diet and careful monitoring in the future.
I hope Diesel continues to feel better
Only after the last tree has been cut down, only after the last river has been poisoned, only after the last fish has been caught, only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. - Cree prophecy
Poor Diesel. Good thoughts heading his way.
We have been through something very similar with Jenica this May. She went very quickly downhill and was transferred to the emergency clinic for a couple of days. They were not able to find anything in her fecal that could have caused this, but Diesel got sick just a day later and they found Chlostridium and Giardia in his fecal. So the general suspicion is that they both had the same thing, but that is as close as we could get to a diagnosis.
I hope Diesel will recover quickly.
Gosh! There seems to be a lot of our JL dogs coming down with similar G.I. symptoms.
Puff had something similar (but without blood -- she had diarrhea and stools covered with mucus) and I took her to K-State's CVM Small Animal Clinic Sept. 3rd.
She was diagnosed with Clostridium Enteritis and put on antibiotics 2X/day for 8 days as well as a bland diet [cooked white rice & chicken breast + Hill's Prescription Diet I/D (for intestinal disorders)].
There's been no return of the diarrhea but her stools are still too soft (IMO) so we have a return appointment tomorrow @ 11 AM for further evaluation.
I was instructed to keep her on the bland diet through that time. Her appetite has been fine through this episode. That's a big relief after going through the repeated treatments to shake the Heterobilharzia Americana (H.A.), since that often involves a loss of appetite, even anorexia, and I sure would like to avoid another infestation of H.A.
I'll post what we find.
I do suggest that all dog owners whose dogs are battling these G.I. symptoms read the sticky at the top of JL's Lab Health & Nutrition subforum so that you're aware of the H.A. symptoms. VERY few vets north of the Gulf states ever consider H.A. infestation as a possibility. IF your dog does have symptoms that match those for H.A. and the treatment your vet is giving is not working, it may be worth the expense ($85-100) to have a fecal specimen sent to Texas A&M for the PCR test for the presence of H.A. DNA. Untreated H.A. (or treatment for other disorders with similar symptoms but not specifically for H.A.) is fatal.
Puff [YF, AKC field line (from competing HT/FT breeder) 62 lbs, dob: 8-'01]
Bess [BF, AKC bench line (from competing show breeder) 55 lbs., 1967-1981] "Poor Bess, the Wonder Dog":
Oh goodness, poor Diesel and poor you! That sounds like such a harrowing experience. I sure hope that he's on the mend now. Good thoughts for you!
I had small terrier a number of years ago who had what the vet described as "doggie crohn's disease." I had to be extremely careful what she ate, and even then she would occasionally have a bout of it (bloody diarheah, vomiting etc.) with no clear reason why. The only time my previous Lab had an issue it turned out to be pancreatitis. (emergency situation) It was extremely unusual for her to be sick so when she started vomiting etc. we got her straight in to the Vet. She was already starting to get dehydrated. After that we were very careful with her diet (kept it really low fat) and she didn't have this issue again. Of course the symptoms that they had could have indicated any number of things, but that's what they turned out to be with my dogs. Best wishes to Diesel. I hope he's feeling 100% soon.