I stumbled in here from a Google search to answer a question someone had. I don't own a lab, I own an ESS. She and I enjoy upland hunting and waterfowl hunting. We also participate in AKC spaniel hunt test, and HRC retriever test. Brandy has her AKC Master hunter title, UKC upland title, UKC seasoned title and we are one pass away from her Finished retriever title. Brandy is my first what I would call formally trained dog. I had some initial help training from a local trainer in my area of Michigan. I am what many of you would call an Amish trainer I don't use any type of physical punishment with my dog other than that done during FF with toe hitch.