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    2 year old male...

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    He seems overstretched to me...
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    Do you have any other stacked pictures of him? I'm newish to conformation anyway, but I'm having a hard time evaluating him with him being so stretched out... hard to get a good feel for his angles and such...looks like a nice boy though

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    It hurts my eyes a bit...the background is so busy that it is really hard to look at the dog.
    Please send another as that's a nice dog you have there and I'd like to see, her is it? I can't even tell the sex with the background ;D
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    Put that poor dog on the ground
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    Sorry about the clutter, it was in our garage, after grooming, he was on the table for a brief moment, so we tried to snatch some pictures. It is a male, that picture doesn't do his head justice, it's actually much blockier.
    Yes, I agree, he is a bit too overstretched it the photo as well. I think he could have more angle in his hind leg, maybe a flatter back (His croup is slightly rounded), but when he gets his tail going....

    Here is another photo of him, he wasn't groomed, but it might show a little more. Also here is a new video.



    again, Not the best photo, but...



    And here's the link for the video.. (He is not groomed)


    http://s139.photobucket.com/albums/q...Picture440.flv

    Thank you for your comments... Let me know what you think further...



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    It's not possible to assess him fully because of the way he is stacked.

    His hock needs to be at right angles to the ground. The way he is stacked in every photo takes away all his angulation in the back leg and makes him look like he has a very straight stifle and no second thigh. Try stacking his back end a bit closer in and see if he looks different. If you want an example of how to place back legs you can look at the textbook photos that Fallriver posted as an example.

    Try to get him leaning into his front a bit too. He looks like he has a great front but he's "posting" in all but the first photo.

    I do like him though.

    I haven't downloaded the video due to my small download limit so I can't see him there.

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    In the video, it looks like he has a bit of an arched loin and sloping croup. Stretching his rear legs so far out "fixes" the way his topline looks, but makes a very poor presentation of his rear assembly. Were you the one who taught him to stack? I think he has good stifle and hock angles judging from him walking a bit in the video. Once he starts moving, his topline arch becomes apparent. I'm a total novice, but if I were you, I'd stack him showing his good angles in the stifle and hock and take a chance on a judge realizing that a bit of an arched loin is not as big of a fault, IMO, as no angles in the rear assembly.

    Also, I've seen some people groom their Labs, but I don't think a Lab ever belongs on a grooming table. I think your boy looks much better in ungroomed photo (in the groomed photo his coat looks feathery and open).

    I think he is very nice otherwise. I like his head. It looks a bit Pointer-like in the photos, but I think it looks much nicer in the video.

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    Thanks for the tips! It wasn't me stacking him, it was just something we threw together, I usually point the hocks straight down and level.
    Yes, he does have a slight slope to his croup, I think if we ever got that tail going, he could maybe even it out a bit.

    Oh, yes Labs do not belong on the grooming table, I know, at the time we were grooming a Springer, we have it all set-up, it was dark outside, and not much room anywhere else, so we thought we'd throw him up there and snatch a picture really quick after his grooming.

    (By the way, the photo his the night before he took a RWD) Professional picture coming soon.....

    And yes, he does tend to post! I will try to ghet some better pictures later, thanks for your opinions!

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    OK, I'll give it a shot but this pic isn't too much better ;D
    He has such a classic headpiece. You don't see heads like that as often these days and its a shame...no snippiness or cheekiness at all....very old style head.
    Front is good and flows into a lovely neck. Well padded feet, ample bone, good coat. I'm not too worried about his croup...that's why you don't groom labs. The pic where he is up on the table gives the appearance of a low tail set because his coat is disheveled and sticking up.
    I would like a bit more turn of stifle and a bit more second thigh but that might come with age. He could be better let down at the hocks too, but that's not too big a deal. Does he carry yellow? He has the By tail on him...I would like to see it a bit more wrapped but its certainly decent.
    When he posts, it makes him look long cast and I don't think it is.
    Nice boy definitely and you will do well with him.
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