The Texan is OUT!

[Ender's Mom]

Darnit! I will miss his zany comments.

Huntsman out last week partly because he was polling even with Stephen Colbert. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

The work Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert highlighting the Super PAC nonsense is crazy awesome.

Those are my political thoughts this week. Yes I know... none of them serious. Because the serious ones are just too damn depressing.

[Jan]

I hope his endorsement of Gingrich is irrelevant.
I'm having a hard time keeping up with it all!

[Golfgirlrobin]

Funny thing is, he just had his first really good debate performance Monday night.

He never really got past that first comment he made about how people who don't think that illegal immigrants ought to get in-state college tuition don't have a heart. I believe that is the moment when my husband and I both said "Fuck you Rick" to the television.

[Ender's Mom]

He never really got past that first comment he made about how people who don't think that illegal immigrants ought to get in-state college tuition don't have a heart. I believe that is the moment when my husband and I both said "Fuck you Rick" to the television.

So... quick question on this issue.

I thought it was for children of illegal immigrants who are also illegal (because they weren't BORN here)... but came to the US as a child (i.e. their parents brought them over)? Is this correct?

[Golfgirlrobin]

So... quick question on this issue.

I thought it was for children of illegal immigrants who are also illegal (because they weren't BORN here)... but came to the US as a child (i.e. their parents brought them over)? Is this correct?

Basically. They are illegal because they have no legal right to be here. Whether because they came here on their own or brought here by parents. Certain states treat them the same as legal residents when it comes to tuition costs at state colleges/universities. I disagree with this view. To me it is irresponsible to claim you want to get control of the border on the one hand and then offer free stuff on the other.

Regardless, I think Rick's real problem was implying that there could be no reasonable disagreement on the issue; that if you didn't agree with him, that you had no heart. Pissed off virtually every Republican I know.

[Ender's Mom]

Basically. They are illegal because they have no legal right to be here. Whether because they came here on their own or brought here by parents. Certain states treat them the same as legal residents when it comes to tuition costs at state colleges/universities. I disagree with this view. To me it is irresponsible to claim you want to get control of the border on the one hand and then offer free stuff on the other.

Regardless, I think Rick's real problem was implying that there could be no reasonable disagreement on the issue; that if you didn't agree with him, that you had no heart. Pissed off virtually every Republican I know.

Just wanted to make sure I understood fully both the issue and what the backlash from the "no heart" comment was about.

He's definitely an "off the cuff" kind of guy, says whatever comes to mind at the time.

The following has nothing to do with the issue but just a thought:

What I find fascinating is that people like Cain and Perry seem (in my limited viewing of their debate clips and speeches) to just speak whatever is on their mind at the time... good bad stupid smart... whatever. Whereas Romney appears to always be searching for the answer he thinks people want him to say to the point where he almost stutters and "ums" and speaks in such broken sentences sometimes. (again... based only on my limited viewing of clips from debates and speeches) Also, even when he is just speaking, he seems to not really BELIEVE what he is saying, it just sounds like he is trying to get people to like him.

[georgie]

Basically. They are illegal because they have no legal right to be here. Whether because they came here on their own or brought here by parents. Certain states treat them the same as legal residents when it comes to tuition costs at state colleges/universities. I disagree with this view. To me it is irresponsible to claim you want to get control of the border on the one hand and then offer free stuff on the other.

Regardless, I think Rick's real problem was implying that there could be no reasonable disagreement on the issue; that if you didn't agree with him, that you had no heart. Pissed off virtually every Republican I know.

That turned alot of people off. When parents are struggling to pay for college tuitions & kids are coming out of school with mounting debt....sorry....why should an illegal kid get a free ride. If that makes me heartless....well so be it! How about some help for the legal kids!

[Ender's Mom]

That turned alot of people off. When parents are struggling to pay for college tuitions & kids are coming out of school with mounting debt....sorry....why should an illegal kid get a free ride. If that makes me heartless....well so be it! How about some help for the legal kids!

This is not about them getting a "Free ride" They are getting IN STATE tuition... which means the same price as the "legal kids" that reside in that state.

What I don't understand is the demonizing of illegal kids. What did they do wrong? (can someone explain this to me?)

[georgie]

This is not about them getting a "Free ride" They are getting IN STATE tuition... which means the same price as the "legal kids" that reside in that state.

What I don't understand is the demonizing of illegal kids. What did they do wrong? (can someone explain this to me?)

I am not demonizing them. Why don't they become legal citizens.? And yes, some are getting a "free ride."

[Golfgirlrobin]

This is not about them getting a "Free ride" They are getting IN STATE tuition... which means the same price as the "legal kids" that reside in that state.

What I don't understand is the demonizing of illegal kids. What did they do wrong? (can someone explain this to me?)

The problem is rising costs, limited resources and how they get spent. Kids who pay in-state tuition are not paying what it actually costs to keep them in school. In-state tuition is subsidized by taxpayers and kids coming in from outside the state. Many people want their tax money going to benefit American citizens and legal residents first.

Nobody is "demonizing" illegal kids; what they are saying is that they don't really see why they should pay for their college education. There's not another country on the face of the earth where you get to walk in illegally and then claim benefits; why is it such a shock that many people don't think it should be that way here, either?

Demonizing, by the way, is another term which needs to go away. It's generally used as a cheap way to grab the moral high ground in any discussion. Not saying that that's what you're doing here, just that you can't turn on the tv anymore without somebody trying to win an argument by saying the other side is just mean and wants to blame whatever group for all the troubles in the world.