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    Default 11 Month Old with possible Cruciate tear or OCD. PLEASE HELP!

    Tide started limping on her rear right leg, for the first time, after a day at the dog park at around 4-5 months old. I thought she may have pulled a muscle or something so I wasn’t too concerned. A week or so later, more limping, same leg. So, of course I was worried about possible HD and spoke to my vet about it. She did an exam on Tide and couldn’t find anything wrong. At this point she was scheduled to get spayed a week and a half later so my vet recommended getting x-rays done at that time because one, she’d be under anesthesia for a better shot, and two it would cost me less.

    So, she goes in for her spaying and x-rays. X-rays show NOTHING. Perfect hips for a pup her age. The vet diagnoses her with a soft tissue injury and says that the rest she’ll get from being spayed should help heal that as well. GREAT, I think........Wrong!! 3 weeks pass of Tide doing absolutely nothing and she starts to limp again, same leg, this time worse then before. So now I’m REALLY worried and call my vet. I bring her in and they can’t find anything so suggest that I leave her for a few hours so that an orthopedist on staff can examine her. So anyway, long story short, the ortho vet supposedly pushed on an area and she responded with a pain reaction and was diagnosed with Pano. I was VERY relieved!

    I was told, and researched, that the lameness would switch from leg to leg, which it has, and last for almost 2 years. Over the months she has gone lame on both back legs, the right being the one she favors most, and the right front. Here we are now, 5-6 months later, and still limping on that back right leg. What concerns me most is that I’ve noticed her lameness is only triggered by excessive running and or getting up from a nap in this right rear leg. The orthopedist, when first diagnosed with Pano, said exercise wouldn’t aggravate it.

    Months have gone by and being the nervous ninny that I am, scheduled another appointment last week with another orthopedic surgeon. She suggested taking x-rays of her knee because she feels it’s definitely Tide’s knee that’s bothering her and We had the x-rays done and they still came back inconclusive but the vet narrowed it down to either OCD of her knee or CCL rupture. She pointed out a shaded grey area which she said was fluid in her knee. There was also an area of bone that was flatter, I think she described it as that, which she said is more then likely OCD. The doctor wants to insert a scope and determine EXACTLY what it is, and if OCD, remove the lesion. If a CCL tear then Tide will have to be opened up and operated on, which will cost $1000’s. She doesn’t think a TPLO is necessary being Tide is so young and her joints are still so soft. We do have another appointment with ANOTHER ortho surgeon in the same office for Monday. I’m going to ask about a drawer test and see what they say.

    My questions are……..has anyone experienced a Cruciate tear in a dog so young? She is not even a year old yet (11 months). I've also heard that cruciate tears can be caused from improper breeding? Is that true? What about OCD of the knee? Do you think the scope is the best option in determining what exactly Tide’s problem is? Do you have anything else you think might be helpful to me?

    Any information is greatly appreciated. I’m going crazy researching stuff. Thanks in advance.

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    Sorry to hear about Tide's (and subsequently your) hard time.

    Did you buy Tide from a reputable breeder?

    I've heard that cruciate tears can run in certain lines, but I've also heard the opposite. There's no definite way to determine if these things are genetic because they could also be environmental...such as dog park injuries. Its definitely NOT something to 'blame' or characterize a breeder as horrible for. Some research shows that OCD is heritable, but unless the dogs parents have produced it before, how would they know?

    Best of luck with your girl.

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    I have also heard that cruciate issues run in lines, but I have never seen proof of that.

    Amanda, have you been to an orthopedic specialist with Tide yet? I can't remember. I know our vet had trouble diagnosing Hudler's cruciate tear but we didn't mess around with it much...we rested him for 3 weeks like the recommended, no improvement....so we went to an ortho vet who has experience diagnosing the issue.

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    Yes, I've seen two Ortho vets (both at the same hospital) and I have an appointment with another for Monday. They still can't determine if it's OCD or a CCL rupture. Both so far have suggested this scope. If I still get the same prognosis on Monday I will probably take her to University of Pennsylvania.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luvmydogz2much
    Sorry to hear about Tide's (and subsequently your) hard time.

    Did you buy Tide from a reputable breeder?

    I've heard that cruciate tears can run in certain lines, but I've also heard the opposite. There's no definite way to determine if these things are genetic because they could also be environmental...such as dog park injuries. Its definitely NOT something to 'blame' or characterize a breeder as horrible for. Some research shows that OCD is heritable, but unless the dogs parents have produced it before, how would they know?

    Best of luck with your girl.
    Well, I'm starting to hear that her breeder wasn't very reputable. They put on a good show, let me tell you. :whatever:

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    One of UPENNs best Orthro vets is Dr. Gilley. Incredible...but they are all great there.

    The outcomes with these issues are great...good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CYNLABS
    I have also heard that cruciate issues run in lines, but I have never seen proof of that.
    I think the field folks (and the show/performance ones too) would say w/o hesitation that cruciate issues do have a strong genetic basis. I've been hearing it from reputable sources for years. Anne

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    That's another thing I just don't get. Tide is NOT a high strung lab. She's very mellow and comes from english/show stock. She has her moment's of course, she's a puppy, but for the most part she'd rather be lounged out on the couch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tides Mom
    That's another thing I just don't get. Tide is NOT a high strung lab. She's very mellow and comes from english/show stock. She has her moment's of course, she's a puppy, but for the most part she'd rather be lounged out on the couch.
    There is an angulation (knee) measurement that ortho vets have looked at to predict susceptibility to cruciate issues, but also, some lines aren't that quick to muscle and really "come together", so I have to wonder about that disadvantage w/ some of these injuries in the "loosy-goosy" youngsters.

    WindyCanyon Girls, August 2014

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    Tank has had both legs repaired by TPLO. See his website at : http://www.cirquegirl.com

    You might want to join the Yahoo group: Orthodogs Lots of folks with alot of good information there.

    Tank also has OCD but in a front leg.
    Sandie, Tank 5/25/1998 - 07/08/2011, Orson & Sully

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